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  Reply # 1648856 11-Oct-2016 01:22
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networkn: As I keep saying, the popular vote is irrelevant to the result. Only electoral votes matter. 

 

Isn't the electoral vote awarded based on the popular vote (per state, obviously)? So whoever wins the popular vote in the large/important states, like California, wins the election.

 

 

 

What really matters is who controls the House and the Senate. If the Republicans retain control and Clinton wins then she'll have a hard time no matter what. Same if the Democrats take them and Trump wins. What would be really instereting is if Trump wins with a Republican majority who really don't like him.

 

 

 

 

Multiple times in history the popular vote has been won by one candidate and the election has been won by the other. At his second term Obama was about 10 points behind by a fair number of polls, in the popular vote, and STORMED in with electoral votes. 

 

The main issue with Trump being president from a personal perspective, is listening to him speak for the next 4 or more likely 8 years (Very rare for a sitting president to be usurped).

 

 

 

 

Never happen. To start with, if he had remained aggressive, he would have had a very good chance of winning, based on time for a change, anti Clinton, etc. Not him per say, but the situations over there.  But his mouth and mind got in the way, to at least make a win unlikely. Now its impossible, as his recent offerings and revelations have downwards quadrupled the negative opinions of him. The early conspiracy theory that he would go against Clinton, be a dick, and get her in makes more sense than anything Ive seen lately, as what he is doing is well beyond bizarre. Its an absolute circus, by the world's superpower.  


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  Reply # 1648889 11-Oct-2016 08:49
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Multiple times in history the popular vote has been won by one candidate and the election has been won by the other.


Agree.

At his second term Obama was about 10 points behind by a fair number of polls, in the popular vote, and STORMED in with electoral votes. 


Agree, and in Obama's case he won the popular vote also. Wikipedia shows Obama in 2008 with 52.92% of the popular vote, and again in 2012 with 50.95℅ of the popular vote.

Needless to say, Trump will be hoping for a similar effect motivating non-voters to the polls and those not captured in telephone opinion surveys.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1648892 11-Oct-2016 08:58
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At least you know what Trump thinks, you mightn't like it, but at least you know. With Hillary she tells you want you want to hear, who knows what she really thinks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, you don't. You never know what he really thinks because he is fully able to contradict himself 10 times in 5 seconds and truly believe that each and every statement is truth.





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  Reply # 1648893 11-Oct-2016 08:59
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Watched some of it last night. Clinton clearly won, but she also did a bit of avoidance. So many blind statements by Trump, now if he had any credibility you could take some grain of truth in what he says, but that's gone. He is gone burger, the interesting thing to see of what % of the vote he gets, which will fall back on what the world thinks about American people if he gets a solid vote count


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Technofreak:

 

At least you know what Trump thinks, you mightn't like it, but at least you know. With Hillary she tells you want you want to hear, who knows what she really thinks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, you don't. You never know what he really thinks because he is fully able to contradict himself 10 times in 5 seconds and truly believe that each and every statement is truth.

 

 

Yep. Clinton is a very very experienced politician. Politicians are politicians. Don't expect a saint, and its a tough world. In the political system and in the world and/or US as well.

 

Trump has no skills, ideas, or experience. Taxes, hes going to drop corp taxes from 35% to 15%. Great. Where is that shortfall coming from?? Puffery


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  Reply # 1648905 11-Oct-2016 09:14
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tdgeek:

 

SaltyNZ:

 

Technofreak:

 

At least you know what Trump thinks, you mightn't like it, but at least you know. With Hillary she tells you want you want to hear, who knows what she really thinks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, you don't. You never know what he really thinks because he is fully able to contradict himself 10 times in 5 seconds and truly believe that each and every statement is truth.

 

 

Yep. Clinton is a very very experienced politician. Politicians are politicians. Don't expect a saint, and its a tough world. In the political system and in the world and/or US as well.

 

Trump has no skills, ideas, or experience. Taxes, hes going to drop corp taxes from 35% to 15%. Great. Where is that shortfall coming from?? Puffery

 

 

Reading how he's been behaving, he will do exactly the opposite of what he promises and then have some really cheesy excuse for it.


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tdgeek:Trump has no skills, ideas, or experience. Taxes, hes going to drop corp taxes from 35% to 15%. Great. Where is that shortfall coming from?? Puffery


Corporate tax is only about 10% of IRS revenue. 80% is individual and payroll tax.

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  Reply # 1648910 11-Oct-2016 09:18
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tdgeek:Trump has no skills, ideas, or experience. Taxes, hes going to drop corp taxes from 35% to 15%. Great. Where is that shortfall coming from?? Puffery


Corporate tax is only about 10% of IRS revenue. 80% is individual and payroll tax.

 

 

 

Nevertheless, the question is still valid. The US is already something like $14 TRILLION in debt and running a deficit. A further shortfall - even a small one - isn't going to make things better unless you believe in trickle-down-economics. But in practice it should be obvious that only one thing trickles down from the rich in any significant volume, and it is warm, wet and yellow in colour.





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  Reply # 1648953 11-Oct-2016 09:46
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tdgeek:Trump has no skills, ideas, or experience. Taxes, hes going to drop corp taxes from 35% to 15%. Great. Where is that shortfall coming from?? Puffery


Corporate tax is only about 10% of IRS revenue. 80% is individual and payroll tax.

 

Corporate tax is only 10% of revenue, because Corporates avoid paying tax.  wink





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tdgeek:Trump has no skills, ideas, or experience. Taxes, hes going to drop corp taxes from 35% to 15%. Great. Where is that shortfall coming from?? Puffery


Corporate tax is only about 10% of IRS revenue. 80% is individual and payroll tax.

 

I would expect that. Wasnt he cutting taxes for everyone?


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  Reply # 1648965 11-Oct-2016 10:05
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If your corporate starts with Don and ends with ump you make a billion dollar loss and NEVER have to ever pay tax

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  Reply # 1648974 11-Oct-2016 10:18
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He has to be one of the worst people I have ever come across. He disgusts me in every way possible yet the Americans are lapping it up. Fox News has also totally collapsed in any credibility ratings it had (imo)....how can such a huge media organisation continue to support and bolster Trump and survive?

 

Whilst newspapers in the US, namely Washington Post and NY Times are clearly siding against Trump, Fox News staffers such as Hannity and O'Reilly continue to vigorously defend and support Trump despite all his massive lies and racist and sexist comments.

 

Maybe an exaggeration, but isnt this getting a bit like fascism, where people will follow a person no matter what?

 

This could be a bad dream and I will wake up soon and sigh a huge relief!!

 

[Mod edit (MF): replaced word with fascism]


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A gentle reminder that we have something in our FUG against Godwin's Law. I've edited @pumpedd post to say "Fascism" because that's what it's in the context.

 

Keep away from being banned because of an idiot like Trump folks.





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Pumpedd:

 

He has to be one of the worst people I have ever come across. He disgusts me in every way possible yet the Americans are lapping it up. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've come across far worse - could write a long list of thoroughly deplorable human beings who've actually ascended to political power on the back of popular support over the past half century or so.
I'm not so sure that "the Americans" are lapping it up - some are for sure, but many (including a lot of conservatives/republicans) are absolutely mortified by the thought of what a Trump presidency could do to the US.


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Having had some time to reflect, I agree with those who say Hillary won, though I think it would be more correct to say Trump lost again. She was at her strongest (least weak) during the first half, when he was wandering all over the place and avoiding responding to any question by repeatedly dishing up his memorised lines about all the things Hillary and Obama had done wrong, even when they had nothing whatsoever to do with what was supposed to be the topic of discussion. It was a bizarre and pathetic performance. 

 

He got better (less awful) as time wore on, and she got worse. In the second half it almost seemed like she was having trouble maintaining her train of thought. Her manner was sometimes hesitant and stilted, as if she couldn’t remember where she was going with a sentence, and had forgotten what she meant to say. She didn’t get lost completely, but a few times it looked like she might as she struggled for words. 

 

Regardless of who gets elected, I am just glad I don’t live there anymore. 

 

So who wants to help me build a wall?

 

 

 

 





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