tdgeek:MaxLV:jeffnz:MaxLV: The Union Jack won because of all that it stands for to the majority of us New Zealanders that voted to keep it as part of our flag, who recognised it's part in New Zealand's history, and because it represents what New Zealand is today.
Unless you know everyone that voted for the current flag you are just guessing.
So I would guess that an "amount" voted because it was a John Key initiative (on both sides of the political spectrum)
The union jack doesn't represent who we are today nor did it properly represent how we started when it was instigated in 1902.
Its fine to want to keep the current flag so no need for ill informed comments
No I'm not. No more than you are when you say you know why people voted for or against changing the flag. And there is nothing wrong voting against changing the flag because John Key made it a political choice by supporting the alternative.
I can't believe anyone would say that. Your saying that our national flag is unimportant as I'd rather vote against John Key than our national flag. And if you preferred the new flag, you would vote against it, wow. Democracy isn't perfect. It would ALWAYS be a political issue as a politician would take it onboard. Politicians would talk about it.
And the Union Jack does represent what New Zealand is today. It is part of our history as a nation, and that history defines what New Zealand is today. That's why so many of us voted to keep the Union Jack as part of our flag.
BTW if you want to get 'personal' then you're the one making ill informed comments about why the current flag has been voted for by the majority of voters. IOW you're the one who is 'just guessing'.
You've already stated that some voted against the new flag because of John Key. Its also human psyche to resist change. And there will be some, that genuinely want the old flag. Those that vote for the new flag can only do so if they feel it better represents NZ.
If someone genuinely felt the old flag was better at representing NZ, for the right reasons, I have no issue, but its clear that many voted for reasons that had nothing to do with what better represents NZ
Agree. The association of the process with one politician was not particularly helpful.