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  Reply # 1493055 16-Feb-2016 09:54
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Answers in with the questions:

 

Dulouz:

 

My daughter has a school assignment where she has to interview one person who wants the flag to change and another who wants it to stay how it is. Finding someone who wants the flag to change was easy but she is struggling to find someone to wants the current flag to stay.

 

If you are someone who does want the flag to stay as it is she would appreciate it if you could answer the following questions. We only need one response.

 

     

  1. Do you think we should change our flag?
    Not at this time.

  2. Why do you think that?
    First, I am not a huge fan of our current flag and would be happy if it changed, however I feel changing the flag is not something that should be done "on a whim", no matter whose whim it was. Changing the flag should be done to mark some significant development of New Zealand as a nation, such as becoming a republic and/or severing ties with the Commonwealth.
    Next, I'm not a particular fan of any of the designs that made the short list for the first referendum. Personally I liked the Red Peak design more than the others, but I didn't like it enough to want it to be our new national flag, and "the one I hated least" or "it could have been worse" is not how I want to feel about our new flag.
    Finally, there are many social issues in New Zealand that affect individuals and communities, e.g. closing schools, children living in poverty, increasing our refugee quota, domestic violence, alcohol and drug abuse, the disenfranchising of our indigenous people... and I feel the money spent on meetings up and down the country and two referenda would be much better spent on something that would make a genuine difference to people's lives.


  3. If there was a different option (ie not the Silver Fern) would you change your mind?
    To be honest, I don't know. Possibly. If there was an option I felt strongly about I would probably be more engaged in the process.

  4. Did you agree with the Red Peak design being included in the first referendum?
    Yes. The original short list was three silver ferns and one koru design. I felt the majority of these designs were too similar and didn't give us enough choice - as though we were being pushed towards a particular outcome. Including Red Peak at least provided an option for people (like me) who don't want the fern on our flag.

  5. Was there another design you would have liked to see included in the first referendum? If so, which one?
    I was a fan of some of Chris Wadsworth's Long White Cloud/koru designs and would have liked to see one of those in the first referendum, probably this one, although a number of them were very similar.

  6. What do you think makes New Zealand special?
    Our record in human rights and belief in "doing the right thing", e.g. giving women the vote, decriminalising homosexuality and legalising same sex marriage, our nuclear fee stance.
    Our (relatively) harmonious multicultural society with it's blend of European, Maori, Pacifica and increasing Asian, and African and Middle Eastern influences.
    Good old Kiwi ingenuity and "can do" attitude.
    Our sense of place - we identify as Kiwis and have a connection to our environment. 


  7. What symbols best represent New Zealand’s unique character?
    Many things come to mind, however there are some I don't necessarily want on a flag, e.g. a kiwi or silver fern (or, as someone said to me a few months ago, Hobbits). Others are not necessarily unique to New Zealand, e.g. the Southern Cross constellation - perhaps we should use the Matariki/Pleiades constellation instead? I do like the koru, which represents new beginnings and harmony. 

 


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  Reply # 1493077 16-Feb-2016 10:18
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  • Do you think we should change our flag?

    No

 

 

  • Why do you think that?

    The Union Jack represents our origin as a country and southern cross represents our location in world
    And it shows the linkage to our brother Australia

  • If there was a different option (ie not the Silver Fern) would you change your mind?

    No

  • Did you agree with the Red Peak design being included in the first referendum?

    No

  • Was there another design you would have liked to see included in the first referendum? If so, which one?

    Maybe - but just a silver fern
    With Blue background -  it would be national flag
    with while background - our ensign
    with black background  - our sporting flag


  • What do you think makes New Zealand special?

    Low population and green environment
    And similar people
    (thats why i dont want to open doors to immigration - sorry)

  • What symbols best represent New Zealand’s unique character?

    Kiwi
    Silver sern
    southern cross


 

 

 

 

FYI - 6th gen NZer

 

 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1493086 16-Feb-2016 10:25
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2. The union jack is on our present national flag for a reason. If we acknowledge the Treaty of Waitangi then the fact is that New Zealand is a constitutional monarchy, and our monarch and head of state is the monarch of the United Kingdom. This is not just "heritage", it's how it is now. So which is more appropriate - should our national flag reflect the constitutional foundation of our nation and queen, or do we want it to carry a sports logo.

 

If we want to, unravelling that will take a lot more than simply changing the national flag. There are at least a dozen other derivative flags and ensigns in current use that will become instant orphans when the national flag loses the union jack. They are everywhere, in the armed forces, uniforms, government departments, etc, not to mention the colours of a multitude of clubs and organisations that carry Royal charters.





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  Reply # 1493091 16-Feb-2016 10:36
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2. The union jack is on our present national flag for a reason. If we acknowledge the Treaty of Waitangi then the fact is that New Zealand is a constitutional monarchy, and our monarch and head of state is the monarch of the United Kingdom. This is not just "heritage", it's how it is now. So which is more appropriate - should our national flag reflect the constitutional foundation of our nation and queen, or do we want it to carry a sports logo.

 

 

 

If we want to, unravelling that will take a lot more than simply changing the national flag. There are at least a dozen other derivative flags and ensigns in current use that will become instant orphans when the national flag loses the union jack. They are everywhere, in the armed forces, uniforms, government departments, etc, not to mention the colours of a multitude of clubs and organisations that carry Royal charters.

 



Many Commenwealth Nations do not have the Union Jack on their flag including those who have the Queen as head of state





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  Reply # 1493111 16-Feb-2016 11:06
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1. No
2. Because of the way it is being done
3. Possibly
4. Yes
5. Yes, but I don't have a specific example.
6. Tough to answer in just a few words. Nature, especially beaches, lifestyle, low population density, general cheerfulness of people.
7. Unfortunately, the silver fern and kiwi. They have currency because of their wide recognition. Otherwise, our brilliant full moons, spectacular sunsets, mountains, night sky, multi-racial population. I guess the mountains would work best on a flag.





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Reply # 1493115 16-Feb-2016 11:10
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Thank you for everyone who helped out. Some interesting ideas here. Ms. 11 now has more than enough to work with.





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  Reply # 1493133 16-Feb-2016 11:33
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MikeB4: Many Commonwealth Nations do not have the Union Jack on their flag including those who have the Queen as head of state.

 

Of the 15 realms left, only 3 retain the union jack: Australia, NZ and Tuvalu.  It's fast becoming unique and I like it.





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  Reply # 1493143 16-Feb-2016 11:39
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If the Jack is too big make it smaller. And change the complexity to a simpler modern look. Tweak the stars a bit e.g. make bigger and more vibrant colour. And maybe the background/colouring could be modernised.

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  Reply # 1493157 16-Feb-2016 11:46
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nakedmolerat:

This is a compete fail as OP is looking for someone who want to keep the current flag.

 

 

 

 

 

In your eyes, perhaps. Good on you. 





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  Reply # 1493159 16-Feb-2016 11:48
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jmh:

 

I won't answer in full since you have some good ones already.  I don't feel the fern represents me.  In fact I find it rather embarrassing that this country could be represented by a sports logo.  Is that all we are?  I'm not that bothered about rugby - I'd rather go the library and read a book than watch a game. 

 

I do feel that when we lose the union jack we should have some Maori representation on the flag.  The shortlisted offering looks great on a pack of butter, but isn't really flag material.

 

 

The fern became a sports logo because it had significance for NZ prior to it becoming a sports logo.....which is why the sports teams adopted it as a symbol for NZ. 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1493164 16-Feb-2016 11:59
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  1. Do you think we should change our flag?....No,
  2. Why do you think that? ….generally NZ is not mature enough as a nation, the debate has shown this with almost infantile arguments especially in comment sections of popular "news" sites.
  3. If there was a different option (ie not the Silver Fern) would you change your mind?... No
  4. Did you agree with the Red Peak design being included in the first referendum?... No
  5. Was there another design you would have liked to see included in the first referendum? If so, which one?... No
  6. What do you think makes New Zealand special?.... NZ is NZ neither special nor not special
  7. What symbols best represent New Zealand’s unique character?.... Kiwi, Silver Fern,




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  Reply # 1493420 16-Feb-2016 20:08
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1.  Do you think we should change our flag?

 

No

 

2.  Why do you think that?

 

- Because I kind of like the current one and it symbolises our history

 

- Because the whole referendum is a silly waste of money, and

 

- Last, but not least, most of the people advocating change I have encountered are shrill and annoying.

 

3.  If there was a different option (ie not the Silver Fern) would you change your mind?

 

No.

 

4.  Did you agree with the Red Peak design being included in the first referendum?

 

No. I didn't agree with *anything* being included in the first referendum, because I didn't agree with the referendum itself.

 

5.  Was there another design you would have liked to see included in the first referendum? If so, which one?

 

No, see above.

 

6.  What do you think makes New Zealand special?

 

Nothing really. OK climate and not overpopulated. It's not a bad place relative to some other countries, but there are plenty of other nice places to live as well.

 


7.  What symbols best represent New Zealand’s unique character?

 

It doesn't really have one. The current flag is as good as anything.

 

 


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  Reply # 1493573 17-Feb-2016 07:57
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Let's face it, the government in this country (both sides) do whatever they like... Referendums aren't legally binding, there was no option about the flag selection necessity in the first place, and we all know that they are going to change it in spite of a majority of the population against doing so.

A government that doesn't listen to its people...

Democracy? NIMBY 😔

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  Reply # 1493640 17-Feb-2016 08:48
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I see that The Big Bang Theory is in favor of our flag change .  So am I..





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  Reply # 1493670 17-Feb-2016 09:19
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  • Do you think we should change our flag? - Yes
  • Why do you think that? - So it looks differnt then the Australian Flag
  • If there was a different option (ie not the Silver Fern) would you change your mind? No
  • Did you agree with the Red Peak design being included in the first referendum? - No
  • Was there another design you would have liked to see included in the first referendum? If so, which one? - Complete black with fern and southern cross and the traditional white on black Silver Fern
  • What do you think makes New Zealand special? - Kiwis
  • What symbols best represent New Zealand’s unique character? - Silver Fern

 





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