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  # 1506954 6-Mar-2016 15:30
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I bet if we don't change then the Ozzys will.  There is a change the flag movement going on over there as well. 

 

 


Excellent - that will solve the problem much more cheaply...






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  # 1506956 6-Mar-2016 15:45
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How much more it will cost if the flag change is successful?

Replacing the flags, letterheads, documents etc?





 
 
 
 


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  # 1506969 6-Mar-2016 16:14
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nakedmolerat: How much more it will cost if the flag change is successful?

Replacing the flags, letterheads, documents etc?

The one time the prime minister creates a whole new industry and you are complaining? Tsk tsk tsk...

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  # 1506988 6-Mar-2016 17:05
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the question pops up at a very good timing to distract from extreme political issues, lack of action on the auckland housing bubble, tppa etc

 

the question should be do you want to change the countries identity and psyche just so we are being diverted from serious issues.

 

pfffft aussie flag too similar theory. yeah thats a problem all of a sudden.


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  # 1506990 6-Mar-2016 17:11
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nakedmolerat: How much more it will cost if the flag change is successful?

Replacing the flags, letterheads, documents etc?

The one time the prime minister creates a whole new industry and you are complaining? Tsk tsk tsk...


Haha - I'm just wanting to know if anyone actually calculate the total cost estimate to tax payer (ie before and after the exercise)

I do plan to buy a couple of flag businesses if the referendum is successful. :-P





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  # 1506991 6-Mar-2016 17:15
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TeaLeaf: <snip> the question should be do you want to change the countries identity and psyche just so we are being diverted from serious issues.<snip>

 

This has nothing to do with the country's identity or psyche - it's simply about getting our own flag.

 

New Zealand and Australia both need a flag of their own, instead of a tired old British Empire membership pennant.

Disclaimer: I have never voted for John Key.





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  # 1506992 6-Mar-2016 17:17
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nakedmolerat:
I do plan to buy a couple of flag businesses if the referendum is successful. :-P

 

At this rate, because we are so anti key hole mining (and yes Im in ecology) and we stopped making our own cars decades ago and we pay extreme amounts for one of the few products we do actually produce not just consume in NZ, milk, butter, cheese etc, i think thats a sound investment. It could quite easily become the second biggest industry at the rate the government wants to distract people ;-)

 

how about they spent the flag money on a summit on business Kiwis could explore to improve our real economy. at this rate our flag will be Australian in 15 years ;-p


 
 
 
 


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  # 1506999 6-Mar-2016 17:33
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TeaLeaf: <snip> the question should be do you want to change the countries identity and psyche just so we are being diverted from serious issues.<snip>

 

This has nothing to do with the country's identity or psyche - it's simply about getting our own flag.

 

New Zealand and Australia both need a flag of their own, instead of a tired old British Empire membership pennant.

Disclaimer: I have never voted for John Key.

 

 

they already have one. and secondly it has a whole lot to do with identity for people who have fought and died for, represented, educated. 3rdly you are assuming the rest of NZ agrees with you, which on polls, I think you are wrong.

 

so far my voting is on track. :-)

 

now back to spending money on things we desperately need like no leaky homes for our under privileged.


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  # 1507022 6-Mar-2016 17:47
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TeaLeaf:

 

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TeaLeaf: <snip> the question should be do you want to change the countries identity and psyche just so we are being diverted from serious issues.<snip>

 

This has nothing to do with the country's identity or psyche - it's simply about getting our own flag.

 

New Zealand and Australia both need a flag of their own, instead of a tired old British Empire membership pennant.

Disclaimer: I have never voted for John Key.

 

 

<snip> ... you are assuming the rest of NZ agrees with you, which on polls, I think you are wrong. <snip>

 

I am assuming no such thing - just expressing a personal opinion.

 

The referendum will probably vote for the status quo - but the margin may be narrower than predicted.

 

The flag debate has nothing to do with poverty and leaky homes, which are really important but completely separate issues.





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the money wasted on this flag "idea" which popped up under a government with timing on said issues you really dont see as "coincidence"?

 

i think it will be closer now only because of words by certain sporting people who should have kept their mouth shut. influencing voters is totally shameful out of line.

 

the money spent on the flag debate which popped up at a great point in time chosen by the government could have been used for important issues. like our public health system.

 

its a farce not driven by the public imo and it seems a lot of people have taken the bait.

 

id actually like to see the stats on the demographics for voting new flag, im pretty sure i can pick them.

 

changing a flag has far greatet consequences than something fun and trendy to do and we need a new one just because we are no longer part of an empire (id like to know who you would think would come to protect NZ should it be threatened, or what ties go behind closed doors you just want to dismiss).

 

 


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  # 1507060 6-Mar-2016 18:24
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TeaLeaf:

the money wasted on this flag "idea" which popped up under a government with timing on said issues you really dont see as "coincidence"?


i think it will be closer now only because of words by certain sporting people who should have kept their mouth shut. influencing voters is totally shameful out of line.


the money spent on the flag debate which popped up at a great point in time chosen by the government could have been used for important issues. like our public health system.


its a farce not driven by the public imo and it seems a lot of people have taken the bait.


id actually like to see the stats on the demographics for voting new flag, im pretty sure i can pick them.


changing a flag has far greatet consequences than something fun and trendy to do and we need a new one just because we are no longer part of an empire (id like to know who you would think would come to protect NZ should it be threatened, or what ties go behind closed doors you just want to dismiss).


 



So you are saying only you know and the rest of population does not. Way to insult a huge amount of people




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  # 1507065 6-Mar-2016 18:39
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TeaLeaf:<snip>  (id like to know who you would think would come to protect NZ should it be threatened, or what ties go behind closed doors you just want to dismiss). 

 

Great Britain lost the capability and will to defend Australia or New Zealand about 70 years ago, when I was born.

 

The "closed door ties" bit confuses me, but any covert agreement is probably with the USA, not with the Mother Country.

 

 

 

EDIT:  Flags are not "fun" or "trendy" - they are just a form of national identification.





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1. Do you think we should change our flag?
2. Why do you think that?
3. If there was a different option (ie not the Silver Fern) would you change your mind?
4. Did you agree with the Red Peak design being included in the first referendum?
5. Was there another design you would have liked to see included in the first referendum? If so, which one?
6. What do you think makes New Zealand special?
7. What symbols best represent New Zealand’s unique character?

 

I didn't read all the other replies, so perhaps all of these points have been covered.

 

1. Yes, at some stage, such as when we become a republic.
2. We are no longer a colonial outpost of mother England.
3. Perhaps, but that would depend on the option.
4. Yes, Red Peak was a better option than most.
5. I didn’t get much chance to review the other designs - the whole process seemed rushed.
6. There are lots of things that make New Zealand special, but top of the list would have to be our unique flora and fauna, Maori people, language and culture.
7. I don’t think we should attempt to fit all our symbols on a flag, although it would be desirable to have some Maori aspect, it is important that a flag design should be simple. A flag should be recognisable at a distance fluttering in the breeze or reduced to a few pixels on an Olympic medal table viewed on our smartphones.

 

Most of the designs proposed fail in this regard, including all the Lockwood designs.

 

This Ted Talk video should required viewing for anyone selecting flags:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnv5iKB2hl4

 

Edit: removed the youtube tags and replaced with simple link.





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  # 1507074 6-Mar-2016 19:30
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alexx:<snip>  This video should required viewing for anyone selecting flags: 

 

Your link does not work.





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  # 1507076 6-Mar-2016 19:37
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So you are saying only you know and the rest of population does not. Way to insult a huge amount of people

 

im not quite sure what you're saying i know all about. but in reference to the right to vote to change, not at all. quite the opposite. my issue with it is, its timing the reasons behind its timing.


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