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Topic # 192001 23-Feb-2016 21:04
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I have some pretty compelling evidence that a trademe user is shill bidding on their own auction.

 

I saw an item listed last week by trader 'x'. I bid but did not win the auction.

 

The wining bidder, 'y' bid $111.

 

Almost as soon as the auction ended, the item was offered to bidders/watchers for $200.

 

Shortly after, the item was re-listed by 'x'.

 

I was still interested but I worried that perhaps 'y' had found out something bad about the listing and had withdrawn.

 

So I looked into the history of 'y' the winning bidder.

 

'y' had been a member for several years but had no feedback history apart from a note from trademe support that stated that they had been the winning bidder on an item but had not completed the trade.

 

I clicked through to the item. It was from about 5 years ago and the 'unlucky' vendor was 'x'.

 

The two items were very different. The first was a for car parts. The second was a server.

 

Then, I looked at the feedback for the vendor. It turns out that 'x' has an unusually large number of trades where the auction winner did not complete the trade.

 

'x' is clearly using a number of other trademe accounts to bid on his own auctions. I emailed tradme support but that went nowhere.

 

Is anyone else likely to take an interest? 'x' does not appear to be a professional trader so the commerce commission will not see it as in their realm of interest. For just a few hundred bucks, I suspect that the police would rather not be bothered. Is there anyone else who might take an interest?

 

 


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  Reply # 1498114 23-Feb-2016 21:04
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Hmmmm. Here we go.





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  Reply # 1498124 23-Feb-2016 21:15
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Report them to TM using the link in the auction.  





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  Reply # 1498132 23-Feb-2016 21:25
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scuwp:

 

Report them to TM using the link in the auction.  

 

 

Done that. No response.


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  Reply # 1498146 23-Feb-2016 21:47
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jpoc:

scuwp:


Report them to TM using the link in the auction.  



Done that. No response.



They might just be busy and have sent it onto the investigations team.

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  Reply # 1498161 23-Feb-2016 22:17
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It sounds likely that you're on a road to nowhere with it so probably best to chalk it down to experience and move on from it.

 

 

 

If you can't let it go and want others to be aware of it though, you could win any low-value auction from the vendor, complete it and then post negative feedback illustrating the warning to others. If they are legit, they'll take this to TM themselves to get the feedback removed. If not, you may have made a difference...

 

 

 

Not exactly a kosher approach to take, somewhat vigilante in fact, not necessarily a good idea, definitely not with your usual TM account/email address at any rate.

 

 

 

I'd leave well enough alone myself.


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  Reply # 1498166 23-Feb-2016 22:25
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jpoc:

 

scuwp:

 

Report them to TM using the link in the auction.  

 

 

Done that. No response.

 

 

That's all you need to do. 


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  Reply # 1498201 23-Feb-2016 23:40
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jpoc:

 

scuwp:

 

Report them to TM using the link in the auction.  

 

 

Done that. No response.

 

 

That's all you need to do. 

 

 

Perhaps name the accounts in the trademe forums and on here so that we can decide for ourselves and take heed


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  Reply # 1498205 24-Feb-2016 00:05
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jpoc:

 

scuwp:

 

Report them to TM using the link in the auction.  

 

 

Done that. No response.

 

 

 

 

When did you report it? If TM is anything like they used to be then you need to allow weeks, probably at least a month, before expecting a response as there is a long queue of reports that they have to follow up.

 

 

 

Edit: I've made many complaints over the years and I never got a response until TM completed their investigation and only if they agreed with my complaint.


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  Reply # 1498213 24-Feb-2016 00:47
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I find they only reply to a report , if they agree. Not sure if shrill bidding is illegal, but I believe it is a breach of their terms. But it is up to trademe to police them, I think they do use IP checking for that sort of thing. I would let trademe get on with it. They will likely now keep an eye on it. If they get another complaint then they have more ammunition to do something. They would want to make 100% sure first.


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  Reply # 1498555 24-Feb-2016 14:58
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Morrison cars in Christchurch got pinged for this behaviour a few years back:

 

http://www.comcom.govt.nz/the-commission/media-centre/media-releases/detail/2011/christchurch-car-company-pleads-guilty-to-fair-trading-act-breaches


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