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  #1507824 7-Mar-2016 23:25
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Geektastic:

 

Dratsab:

 

frankv: Did NZ pay for her return flight? I didn't see that information in the article. I believe that deportees are asked to pay for their deportation flights. 

 

Kiwifruta: Okay, didn't know that about the deportee paying for their own flight out of the country. 

 

kharris: Normally the person would be billed for the cost of deportation. However I imagine that much of this is never recovered. I doubt you are ever allowed back if you don't pay. 

 

This used to be the case but in 2004 an immigration official was charged with a number of offences after fraudulently collecting such monies. He even kept/on-sold a few cars.

 

Part of the fallout from this has been that Immigration no longer seek costs. So in the case being discussed here, as in in every deportation/border refusal case since 2004, the flights back to France would have been paid for by the NZ tax payer. I say France because New Zealand and Australia share border information and have reciprocal border actions. Once the young lady had been refused entry here, it's highly likely her Australian work visa would have been cancelled. Transport costs arising from such secondary actions are picked up by the primary country.

 

 

 

Disclaimer: Working where I do at the airport, this is a case of deja poo for me.

 

 

 

 

You really do have to wonder (if what you say is correct and I am not saying it isn't or it is) exactly what was actually achieved by this.

 

     

  1. We have a young French national who will grow up thinking foreigners are unwelcome in NZ and may thus never bring her family here to spend money
  2. We have created a negative brand ambassador for NZ, who will tell friends, teachers, family, parents, parent's friends etc how poorly she was treated and THOSE people may never come here now, plus all the ones they speak to
  3. We've made ourselves look just a bit silly when this is picked up in the press overseas (as I am sure it will be)
  4. We've landed the taxpayers with a bill they did not need and that served no practical purpose at all
  5. We've destroyed the domestic arrangements of a hard working Australian family who now think NZ is a fairly silly place I am sure and who may not return, will tell lots of people and so on

 

All in all, not Immigration NZ's finest hour I would suggest.

 

Even more foolish is the fact that if the young lady had arrived on a different flight from the family she was living with and simply breezed through saying she was on holiday then they probably would not have even noticed her....

 

 

I don't really imagine this would make big news overseas, even in France. Countries send people away at the border all the time.


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  #1507841 8-Mar-2016 06:13
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Surely there must be more to it, she wouldn't even be dramatic enough to make an episode of Border Patrol.

 

surfisup1000:

 

 

 

...I was in the US on holiday a while back, had my laptop to fix any work issues should they occur.  So , effectively I was working in the US for money and should be sent home???

 

Same with US visitors here -- we should ban everyone who has a phone or a laptop because their work might call them and they might be actually paid. 

 

 

When I take a work laptop to the US I tell them I am there for work, no problems.  I think they are happy so long as I leave again within the 90 days.

 

Now, the Swedish authorities might have something to say about how long I've spent here in the last year.....


 
 
 
 


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  #1507845 8-Mar-2016 07:08
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Geektastic:

 

Ring ring

 

Hi, this is Dave Smith. Can I help?

 

Oh hi Dave - sorry to call you on holiday but the Stephenson deal is going pear-shaped and I need to pick your brain quickly because I was not in that last meeting.

 

 

Phil, I'm on holiday. Do your damn job. Get the person deputising for me to do it. [click]

 

 


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  #1507851 8-Mar-2016 07:42
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"Prime Minister John Key says the treatment of a French au pair jailed overnight and deported after travelling to Queenstown with an Australian family on holiday was "heavy-handed".

 

Being PM he cannot use stronger language but you can read between the lines that he is appalled. Surely an au pair that visits NZ with their family should be considered as being on holiday too.  The employment arrangement was made outside of the country so effectively you could consider this as a business visit - and people are allowed to do that. 

 

I still maintain that the immigration officials were empowering themselves by being straight out bullies. This has nothing to do with following the law. 


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  #1507856 8-Mar-2016 08:02
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Maybe there's something about Queenstown people.

I'm guessing they lack training. Dunedin has an international airport too. Guess how many immigration and customs officers employed here ... 0.3 total.




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  #1507858 8-Mar-2016 08:05
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surfisup1000:

 

"Prime Minister John Key says the treatment of a French au pair jailed overnight and deported after travelling to Queenstown with an Australian family on holiday was "heavy-handed".

 

Being PM he cannot use stronger language but you can read between the lines that he is appalled. Surely an au pair that visits NZ with their family should be considered as being on holiday too.  The employment arrangement was made outside of the country so effectively you could consider this as a business visit - and people are allowed to do that. 

 

I still maintain that the immigration officials were empowering themselves by being straight out bullies. This has nothing to do with following the law. 

 

 

 

 

I wonder if he would be just as appalled if she came from one of those brown countries.


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  #1507860 8-Mar-2016 08:09
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Geektastic:

 

 

 

So someone who is, say, a big CEO of a US company who comes here on holiday and brings his PA should expect his PA to be refused a visa in case she takes a secretarial job away from someone in NZ who knows nothing about the boss, the company or the workplace?

 

The rules are not intended surely to stop ANYONE working - otherwise even taking a call from your office in Berlin whilst in NZ on holiday would be illegal.

 

 

A previous commenter said in that situation the CEO should get work visas for his accompanying employees. The rules are here: http://www.immigration.govt.nz/NR/rdonlyres/371C5E08-3AAE-4F62-A283-8430B1716E70/0/INZ1016.pdf

 

Looks like they should have obtained a work visa for their nanny. They appear to be able to apply online. But among all the examples and categories there doesn't appear to an "accompanying servant" category. Interesting!  





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  #1507861 8-Mar-2016 08:10
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joker97: Maybe there's something about Queenstown people.

I'm guessing they lack training. Dunedin has an international airport too. Guess how many immigration and customs officers employed here ... 0.3 total.


Got a link showing staffing establishment ?




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  #1507863 8-Mar-2016 08:17
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jmh:

 

surfisup1000:

 

"Prime Minister John Key says the treatment of a French au pair jailed overnight and deported after travelling to Queenstown with an Australian family on holiday was "heavy-handed".

 

Being PM he cannot use stronger language but you can read between the lines that he is appalled. Surely an au pair that visits NZ with their family should be considered as being on holiday too.  The employment arrangement was made outside of the country so effectively you could consider this as a business visit - and people are allowed to do that. 

 

I still maintain that the immigration officials were empowering themselves by being straight out bullies. This has nothing to do with following the law. 

 

 

 

 

I wonder if he would be just as appalled if she came from one of those brown countries.

 

 

Maybe you think John Key is racist but I do not. 

 

There is no evidence for your views. 


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  #1507864 8-Mar-2016 08:19
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You'll have to ask dept of immigration.

Dunedin has two inbound international flights a week. But it has a port. Presumably they share the workers.

Queenstown has an average of three inbound international flights a day. I wonder how many people are employed to staff that schedule.




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Linuxluver:

 

Geektastic:

 

 

 

So someone who is, say, a big CEO of a US company who comes here on holiday and brings his PA should expect his PA to be refused a visa in case she takes a secretarial job away from someone in NZ who knows nothing about the boss, the company or the workplace?

 

The rules are not intended surely to stop ANYONE working - otherwise even taking a call from your office in Berlin whilst in NZ on holiday would be illegal.

 

 

A previous commenter said in that situation the CEO should get work visas for his accompanying employees. The rules are here: http://www.immigration.govt.nz/NR/rdonlyres/371C5E08-3AAE-4F62-A283-8430B1716E70/0/INZ1016.pdf

 

Looks like they should have obtained a work visa for their nanny. They appear to be able to apply online. But among all the examples and categories there doesn't appear to an "accompanying servant" category. Interesting!  

 

 

The thing is, the au pair arrangement was established legally in Australia... families are mobile and take holidays. Requiring work visas for au pairs is small minded in my view as this is hardly displacing new zealand workers.   

 

I think this is more a case of bullying than upholding NZ law.

 

 


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surfisup1000:

Linuxluver:


Geektastic:


 


So someone who is, say, a big CEO of a US company who comes here on holiday and brings his PA should expect his PA to be refused a visa in case she takes a secretarial job away from someone in NZ who knows nothing about the boss, the company or the workplace?


The rules are not intended surely to stop ANYONE working - otherwise even taking a call from your office in Berlin whilst in NZ on holiday would be illegal.



A previous commenter said in that situation the CEO should get work visas for his accompanying employees. The rules are here: http://www.immigration.govt.nz/NR/rdonlyres/371C5E08-3AAE-4F62-A283-8430B1716E70/0/INZ1016.pdf


Looks like they should have obtained a work visa for their nanny. They appear to be able to apply online. But among all the examples and categories there doesn't appear to an "accompanying servant" category. Interesting!  



The thing is, the au pair arrangement was established legally in Australia... families are mobile and take holidays. Requiring work visas for au pairs is small minded in my view as this is hardly displacing new zealand workers.   


I think this is more a case of bullying than upholding NZ law.


 



Yes i get that feeling when i go to Queenstown. Lots of unhappy residents for some reason. I'm sure of that one that was deported another 10,000 are welcomed with ear to ear smiles.




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  #1507877 8-Mar-2016 08:45
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joker97: You'll have to ask dept of immigration.

Dunedin has two inbound international flights a week. But it has a port. Presumably they share the workers.

Queenstown has an average of three inbound international flights a day. I wonder how many people are employed to staff that schedule.


So your figure was plucked from the air




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  #1507880 8-Mar-2016 08:48
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I asked the immigration guy last time i met him. He said he has another job. Didn't ask if he worked at the port.




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  #1507905 8-Mar-2016 09:00
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I find it intriguing, I could probably pull hundreds of threads where folks are saying media sites lite NZH, Stuff etc etc are rubbish, the reporters are rubbish and the stories are wrong. However if the story is anti officialdom then it is correct, intriguing 





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