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  Reply # 1513676 15-Mar-2016 12:52
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Rikkitic:

 

Honestly, I don't see what the fuss is about. It was just a survey.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It has been presented by the state TV broadcaster as relevant to serious topical issues - it's not some trivial survey fluff on Facebook etc to gauge opinion on Kardashian bikini waxing or whatever.

 

Just look at the first question:

 

 

It's a loaded question - designed to elicit an emotional response. "Top of mind" for many survey respondents at this time may be issues like the Syrian refugee crisis, despite the fact they're refugees - not "immigrants" per se.
The question is illogical/oxymoronic - immigrants simply are part of NZ society regardless of what any survey respondent thinks about how hard "they" try to "fit in" - whatever that may mean.
So - they've presented an illogical loaded question with no rational option to answer - "strongly disagree" is not a rational option because of the way the question was framed.  It's arguably a leading question, as the incorrect notion presented (immigrants are not a subset of entire NZ society) may lead respondents to answer in a particular way.
Of course, the question will be answered by respondents - most of whom won't be aware that they've interpreted an illogical question when it seemed to make sense.

 

If this was an error by those who put the survey together, then shame on them for being so incompetent.  If it was deliberate, then as well as incompetent, it also smacks of agenda - for which those responsible should be flogged.

 

TV1 claim the survey was prepared by "social and statistical scientists" with the collaboration of some top NZ academics.  Absolutely woeful IMO.


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Fred99: TV1 claim the survey was prepared by "social and statistical scientists" with the collaboration of some top NZ academics. Absolutely woeful IMO.

I'm not ready to blame all those just yet. Survey design encompasses the environment, introduction, etc, etc. TVNZ have done a cut and paste and are making some claims it is the same survey. Well on that basis it isn't at all.

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  Reply # 1513686 15-Mar-2016 13:24
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I'm a Patriot.

 

 

 

I think when you're lucky enough to be able to travel around the world and visit countries a lot less fortunate than us you quickly realise we actually have it pretty good here.

 

 

 

I always laugh in forums and on Stuff comments when people say we're Third World as clearly they have no idea what Third World looks like.





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Fred99: TV1 claim the survey was prepared by "social and statistical scientists" with the collaboration of some top NZ academics. Absolutely woeful IMO.

I'm not ready to blame all those just yet. Survey design encompasses the environment, introduction, etc, etc. TVNZ have done a cut and paste and are making some claims it is the same survey. Well on that basis it isn't at all.

 

Even if only the question above is part of the original/entire survey, then the original survey designers should be flogged.  Many of questions are either ambiguous and/or loaded and/or leading.  It's a cringe-worthy disgrace - the results would not stand up to academic scrutiny - the survey invalidates itself.  If it's purpose is "entertainment", then it's a sad indictment on TV1 - though probably unfortunately typical.


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You speak as if you are a statistician, in which case I can understand where you are coming from. As a lay person, I still don't have a problem with it. For example, my own sense of logic had no problem at all with marking 'strongly disagree' to the immigrant question. So what if it's loaded? I still strongly disagree with the implied assumptions and I am satisfied that I can make that clear.

 

 





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This survey looks like a pared down version of one that I do every year for Auckland University.  I suspect it's been taken from there, but with just a selection of questions.  For example, in the longer survey you are asked the same question in several different ways to make sure that the person's opinions are actually being represented.  The question is asked loaded one way (eg negative) and later on in the survey in a different way (e.g. positive). Presumably then they do some jiggery pokery to get a more accurate answer.

 

 

 

This survey was very poor, especially if you are not an all black fan.


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  Reply # 1515444 18-Mar-2016 10:15
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I was a globalist, which is probably because I refused to click on the haka symbol or the rugby shirt.


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  Reply # 1516970 21-Mar-2016 14:52
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36% of respondents.  Not all of whom are kiwis depending on how Kiwi is defined - e.g born here/resident/here on a permit ... for the survey you simply have to provide an NZ post code.

 

I'm supposedly patriot/egalitarian.

 

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Patriot like only 36% of Kiwis, ugh

 





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I'm a Kiwi but I wasn't born here and I don't fawn over the royals and I don't care about rugby. That seems to have made me a globalist, though I am sure there are unkinder words to describe it.

 

 





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