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  # 2221733 21-Apr-2019 14:25
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"has died in a potential drowning"

What is a potential drowning? Every time you go swimming?





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  # 2221740 21-Apr-2019 14:28
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Geektastic: "has died in a potential drowning"

What is a potential drowning? Every time you go swimming?


I think it’s any body of water that has more than an inch of water in it. Be careful when you do the dishes tonight.

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  # 2221742 21-Apr-2019 14:36
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Geektastic: What is a potential drowning? Every time you go swimming?

 

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  # 2221751 21-Apr-2019 15:16
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It'd be great if journalists knew the meaning of the words they use.





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  # 2221754 21-Apr-2019 15:25
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The "potential drowning" is what the police said reported first. Every other news outlet is just repeating it.

The Police by habit throw the word "potential" in front on any noun: "potential arson", "potential murder", "employee tries to potentially blow up his boss..."

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kingdragonfly: The "potential drowning" is what the police said reported first. Every other news outlet is just repeating it.

The Police by habit throw the word "potential" in front on any noun: "potential arson", "potential murder", "employee tries to potentially blow up his boss..."

 

For things where the final outcome is dependent on a court decision or some kind of investigated proof (Coroner etc), then "Alleged" or "Potential" is, I believe, required to be used.





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kingdragonfly: The Police by habit throw the word "potential" in front on any noun: "potential arson", "potential murder", "employee tries to potentially blow up his boss..."


That sounds like a potential generalisation!

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  # 2221931 21-Apr-2019 23:23
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kingdragonfly: The Police by habit throw the word "potential" in front on any noun: "potential arson", "potential murder", "employee tries to potentially blow up his boss..."


That sounds like a potential generalisation!

 

Isn't that sometime to do with burden of proof:

 

"The burden of proving a fact is on the person alleging it. Broadly speaking, it is sufficient in civil cases to show that a fact is true on the balance of probability. In criminal proceedings, however, the prosecution must prove the guilt of the accused beyond reasonable doubt."

 

So police can not been seen as having been 'judge' 'jury' & 'executioner', they must stay impartial - police AND then courts.





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Helicopter crash at Auckland Islands

 

Stuff's guidance for the arithmetically challenged: "The helicopter was flying from Invercargill, which was a 1000-kilometre round trip and 500km each way."

 

 

 

But there is good news, the three crew were recovered safe and well


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Good news for New Zealand reporters. We are rated #7 in the 2019 World Press Freedom Index

The US has fallen from 45th to 48th this year, mostly thanks to Donald. Seems a bit low given the 1st amendment.

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We have the freedom but my question is if the press actually uses it. An awful lot of dreary clickbait seems to get passed off as reporting these days. 

 

 





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kingdragonfly: Good news for New Zealand reporters. We are rated #7 in the 2019 World Press Freedom Index

The US has fallen from 45th to 48th this year, mostly thanks to Donald. Seems a bit low given the 1st amendment.

https://rsf.org/en/ranking


We're #1, exlucding northern Europe region, but "Reports without Border" says we could improve:

"The press is free in New Zealand but its independence and pluralism are often undermined by the profit imperatives of media groups trying to cut costs.

Concern was voiced about the editorial integrity of New Zealand’s leading news portal, Stuff, after the Australian entertainment giant Nine Television Network took over its owner, Fairfax Media.

Stuff was forced to close a third of the sites it hosted and major budget cuts were imposed on the local media outlets it owns.

The situation could have been even worse if the Commerce Commission had not blocked another proposed merger between Stuff and New Zealand Media and Entertainment (NZME), which owns the country’s leading daily, the New Zealand Herald.

The Commerce Commission had already rejected the proposed merger of NZME and Fairfax one year earlier.

On the legislative side, journalists continue to demand changes to the Official Information Act, which obstructs the work of journalists by allowing government agencies long periods of time to respond to information requests and allows them to demand hundreds of dollars in exchange for the information.

The new government led by Jacinda Ardern disappointed journalists in May 2018 when it said it had no plans to amend the OIA."


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According to NOAA:

 

 

Ozone is mainly found in two regions of the Earth's atmosphere. Most ozone (about 90%) resides in a layer that begins between 6 and 10 miles (10 and 17 kilometers) above the Earth's surface and extends up to about 30 miles (50 kilometers). This region of the atmosphere is called the stratosphere. The ozone in this region is commonly known as the ozone layer. 

 

 

According to "Stuff", this is a valid quiz question:

 

 

(spoiler - according to Stuff, the answer is 3 millimetres, which is not very thick at all, unlike...)

 

Explanation - the ozone is measured using spectrometers and then quantified in Dobson Units, equivalent to a thickness of (pure) ozone at STP.  The average may well be 3mm in Dobson units, but that wasn't the question.


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Geektastic: "has died in a potential drowning"

What is a potential drowning? Every time you go swimming?

 

I finally figured this out. If the guy had a heart attack and died from that in the water, it wouldn't be a drowning but that wouldn't be immediately obvious. Therefore, the police might say it was a potential drowning, as in, they think it was but can't be certain until after the autopsy. Sounds reasonable to me.

 

 





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Geektastic: "has died in a potential drowning"

What is a potential drowning? Every time you go swimming?


I finally figured this out. If the guy had a heart attack and died from that in the water, it wouldn't be a drowning but that wouldn't be immediately obvious. Therefore, the police might say it was a potential drowning, as in, they think it was but can't be certain until after the autopsy. Sounds reasonable to me.


 


Police report the man who died with 14 bullet wounds to the head is a potential suicide?




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