Should Geekzone be a model for New Zealand?

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#1529317 10-Apr-2016 08:48

Just to keep things clear, I said in my original post that I wasn't advocating this, just asking the question. I was curious to know what others thought. I am finding out.

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#1529338 10-Apr-2016 09:54

Rikkitic:

Geekzone is not a democracy. The One Who Rules makes that abundantly clear. He governs with a Firm Hand and brooks no nonsense. As a result, Geekzone is one of the best-run sites of its kind on the Internet. Discussions here are disciplined, well-moderated, and generally of a high standard. No bad language allowed. No personal attacks. No flames. No pardon. Two wrong moves (one, if the transgression is severe enough) and you are out.

For these and other reasons, Geekzone is also very popular. In fact, it is a lot like Singapore, a tight ship with a stern captain at the helm. No democratic nonsense here.

Contrast this with 10 minutes of Parliament TV during Question Time. I have to wonder, and now I have to ask, should Geekzone be a model for New Zealand? Is this regulated, censored, authoritarian regime actually the way governments should be run? Not advocating, just asking the question.

With respect, given how many times I've seen you show anti-establishment tendencies in threads, political and otherwise, I can't imagine you supporting such a regime in our Government.

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#1529347 10-Apr-2016 10:15

I can't either. I was just asking the question. I would go crazy if I had to live in Singapore.

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#1529356 10-Apr-2016 10:37

So just another attention getting troll post then Rikkitic?
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#1529357 10-Apr-2016 10:48

I guess you can view it that way if you want to. I thought it was a serious question. I was thinking about how well Geekzone works and then I started wondering what would happen if the same model was applied to government. I have been in Singapore more than once and it is by no means a horrible place. I have also often wondered what it would be like to grow up in such a country, and how dissenters would fare there. I am one who does question things, and I think I would feel stifled there, but I certainly don't mind visiting. I think this is a valid subject for discussion, but of course you do not have to agree with that. We live in a democracy, after all!

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#1529412 10-Apr-2016 11:51

Rikkitic:

I guess you can view it that way if you want to. I thought it was a serious question. I was thinking about how well Geekzone works and then I started wondering what would happen if the same model was applied to government. I have been in Singapore more than once and it is by no means a horrible place. I have also often wondered what it would be like to grow up in such a country, and how dissenters would fare there. I am one who does question things, and I think I would feel stifled there, but I certainly don't mind visiting. I think this is a valid subject for discussion, but of course you do not have to agree with that. We live in a democracy, after all!

Whats wrong with this Govt? Prefer US, Australia, Italy, Russia? You often criticise this Govt and the country, and the way things are here, as if its some form of backwater.

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#1529423 10-Apr-2016 12:11

PhantomNVD: So just another attention getting troll post then Rikkitic?
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Heh was thinking the same thing actually.

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#1529425 10-Apr-2016 12:12

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PhantomNVD: So just another attention getting troll post then Rikkitic?
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Heh was thinking the same thing actually.

Yeah, so was I, "It had to be said what many are thinking"

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#1529430 10-Apr-2016 12:17

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even me.

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#1529433 10-Apr-2016 12:27

tdgeek:

Whats wrong with this Govt? Prefer US, Australia, Italy, Russia? You often criticise this Govt and the country, and the way things are here, as if its some form of backwater.

Do I really? If you have some examples I will be happy to go through them one by one with you and either defend them, explain them or apologise for them where I am wrong. I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong if someone can show me that I am, beyond just venturing an unsubstantiated opinion. I also do not dislike this country at all. I chose to come and live here. But I am indeed critical of things that I feel warrant criticism. I do not feel that everything I say or believe is engraved on tablets of stone. I think sometimes I am right. I don't doubt sometimes I am wrong. So give me specific examples where you think I am wrong and I will either defend them or agree with you. That's fair, isn't it?

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#1529437 10-Apr-2016 12:32

Rikkitic: The issue with you starting this thread, is you "seem" to want a discussion, but in fact it appears to be you are looking for an excuse to yet again espouse your opinion that Govt has too much control etc etc etc.

If you were ACTUALLY interested in having a discussion, where you might considering changing your own position on things, then it would be productive. Given there is pretty much zero chance of that (even if the majority of people disgreed with you), this entire thread should be locked/deleted.

Inevitably I know you won't take this feedback in the manner to which it was offered, and I forsee a few pages of frustration and annoyance, so with that, I'm going to unsubsribe and leave you with one less person to disagree with you.

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#1529439 10-Apr-2016 12:37

Ok, I am still prepared to try to answer any criticism specially directed at me if anyone wants me to, either here or via PM, but otherwise I am also withdrawing from this thread.

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#1529447 10-Apr-2016 12:55

Rikkitic:

tdgeek:

Whats wrong with this Govt? Prefer US, Australia, Italy, Russia? You often criticise this Govt and the country, and the way things are here, as if its some form of backwater.

Do I really? If you have some examples I will be happy to go through them one by one with you and either defend them, explain them or apologise for them where I am wrong. I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong if someone can show me that I am, beyond just venturing an unsubstantiated opinion. I also do not dislike this country at all. I chose to come and live here. But I am indeed critical of things that I feel warrant criticism. I do not feel that everything I say or believe is engraved on tablets of stone. I think sometimes I am right. I don't doubt sometimes I am wrong. So give me specific examples where you think I am wrong and I will either defend them or agree with you. That's fair, isn't it?

Unsubstantiated opinion? No. And, no I shan't waste my time copying and bolding the many many examples of putdowns and criticisms on everything and everything. Either you act in an aggressive and over critical manner towards everything, or many of us here are incorrect on stating/implying that. If your posts refrained from the many colourful and varied adjectives that you use, they would not attract the responses that you are getting right now. And I will go as far to say, that this is a fact, not my opinion.

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#1529450 10-Apr-2016 13:00

Rikkitic:

Geekzone is not a democracy. The One Who Rules makes that abundantly clear. He governs with a Firm Hand and brooks no nonsense. As a result, Geekzone is one of the best-run sites of its kind on the Internet. Discussions here are disciplined, well-moderated, and generally of a high standard. No bad language allowed. No personal attacks. No flames. No pardon. Two wrong moves (one, if the transgression is severe enough) and you are out.

For these and other reasons, Geekzone is also very popular. In fact, it is a lot like Singapore, a tight ship with a stern captain at the helm. No democratic nonsense here.

Contrast this with 10 minutes of Parliament TV during Question Time. I have to wonder, and now I have to ask, should Geekzone be a model for New Zealand? Is this regulated, censored, authoritarian regime actually the way governments should be run? Not advocating, just asking the question.

And BTW, the President of Singapore carries a mainly traditional role, with some advisory functions, the leader of the Government is the Prime Minster, elected by majority.

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#1529466 10-Apr-2016 13:33

Singapore is ruled by a rational dictator (? Group).

If they want to take your land to build a road across it, you have no choice but to sell at whatever they (govt) say they'll pay you.

If they say the economy is bad they will apply a pay cut across the board and you will follow.

If they say something, you do it.

If you challenge the govt, they find a way to bankrupt you by digging your dirt and applying some law (or by suing you and winning an exorbitant pay out).

And lastly the minimum time to call an election is 14 days. They will suddenly dissolve parliament and announce an election in 14 days. Yes that's two weeks not 14 working days.

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