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  #1569110 10-Jun-2016 07:25
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Please elaborate on the rule to keep people in poverty.

Labelling people for what they are is helpful and needs to be done in order to start targeting them for the solution.

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  #1569111 10-Jun-2016 07:26
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Someone mentioned NZ is the worst in the developed world. THe answer (or at least reason) must lie within that statement. Why is it NZ .... 





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  #1569115 10-Jun-2016 07:37
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Worst in developed world I don't know. Source was a graph of selected oecd countries child abuse death data. We were worst on that graph.

3x as bad as UK. That surprised me I thought UK would be way worse.

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  #1569116 10-Jun-2016 07:37
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joker97:

Someone mentioned NZ is the worst in the developed world. THe answer (or at least reason) must lie within that statement. Why is it NZ .... 



From my experience In a large percentage drug and alcohol abuse is very much an influence.

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  #1569118 10-Jun-2016 08:02
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dickytim: Please elaborate on the rule to keep people in poverty.

Labelling people for what they are is helpful and needs to be done in order to start targeting them for the solution.

 

I spoke to a Finnish person the other day. Asked if Scandanavia were socialist societies. Apparently not. It's a kind of capitalist society with very low inequality and very low poverty. The opposite of America apparently. Maybe we should become like that.





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  #1569126 10-Jun-2016 08:21
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joker97:

dickytim: Please elaborate on the rule to keep people in poverty.

Labelling people for what they are is helpful and needs to be done in order to start targeting them for the solution.


I spoke to a Finnish person the other day. Asked if Scandanavia were socialist societies. Apparently not. It's a kind of capitalist society with very low inequality and very low poverty. The opposite of America apparently. Maybe we should become like that.



Are the scandanavians seperated by race like we are?

Are there rules for some and not for others? Are they hamstrung by an ancient and irrelevant treaty?

What is their pshyce?

Do they all work towards the common good?

What happens when someone or a group doesn't want to work or contribute?

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  #1569136 10-Jun-2016 08:47
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joker97:

 

dickytim: Please elaborate on the rule to keep people in poverty.

Labelling people for what they are is helpful and needs to be done in order to start targeting them for the solution.

 

I spoke to a Finnish person the other day. Asked if Scandanavia were socialist societies. Apparently not. It's a kind of capitalist society with very low inequality and very low poverty. The opposite of America apparently. Maybe we should become like that.

 

 

 

 

Finland in particular is a very homogenous society in terms of race.  It's probably not trendy to say so, but I suspect that has something to do with why it functions the way it does. 






 
 
 
 


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  #1569148 10-Jun-2016 09:11
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So many questions, so few answers. Are the scandanavians seperated by race like we are? It depends on how you define race. Just like us, Finland has a minority culture with values, beliefs and traditions that differ from the mainstream. I would also ask who is doing the separating. In my experience it is mainly pakeha who feel separate. 

Are there rules for some and not for others? Are they hamstrung by an ancient and irrelevant treaty? Irrelevant to whom? Why should your values be imposed on everyone else?

What is their pshyce? What is yours? Is it that everyone should be like you and want what you want in order to meet with your approval?

Do they all work towards the common good? Define the common good. Who is working against it? Maybe some of those white lawyers and businesspeople who value their standard of living more than their contribution to society? Maybe those overseas companies that don't want to pay tax here? Maybe a certain foreign supermarket chain that refuses to contribute to the local community by hiring enough staff to reduce the queues at the checkout counters?

What happens when someone or a group doesn't want to work or contribute? I imagine the same thing, regardless of their background or ethnicity. The issue isn't a racial one and it is a mistake to see it in those terms.

 

 





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  #1569153 10-Jun-2016 09:16
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dickytim: Please elaborate on the rule to keep people in poverty.

 

The rules (sorry, 2 of them, not 1) are simple:

 

     

  1. Wages/benefits can be so low and cost of living so high that even with two parents working full-time there isn't any money to save.
  2. To get more income or save money, you need spare money. Examples:

 

    • Everyone must pay for a tertiary education.
    • An effective education requires payment for a home computer & Internet connection.
    • Everyone must have a large amount of capital to buy a house.
    • It's OK to rent out a house which is drafty, cold, and damp.
    • Durable things are expensive.
    • Buying in bulk saves money but requires spare money (and a freezer).
    • Saving money by buying on TradeMe or AliExpress requires payment for a home computer & Internet connection.

 


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  #1569163 10-Jun-2016 09:34
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dickytim:
joker97:

 

dickytim: Please elaborate on the rule to keep people in poverty.

Labelling people for what they are is helpful and needs to be done in order to start targeting them for the solution.

 

 

 

I spoke to a Finnish person the other day. Asked if Scandanavia were socialist societies. Apparently not. It's a kind of capitalist society with very low inequality and very low poverty. The opposite of America apparently. Maybe we should become like that.

 



Are the scandanavians seperated by race like we are?

Are there rules for some and not for others? Are they hamstrung by an ancient and irrelevant treaty?

What is their pshyce?

Do they all work towards the common good?

What happens when someone or a group doesn't want to work or contribute?

 

 

 

I am sorry if this breaks the FUG but what a load of nonsense go and do some research with open eyes.


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  #1569166 10-Jun-2016 09:40
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Not sure which question is nonsense, but dismissing them is not answering them at all.

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  #1569169 10-Jun-2016 09:44
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dickytim: Not sure which question is nonsense, but dismissing them is not answering them at all.

 

 

 

As I have said many times the problem is across ALL sectors of our society.


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  #1569171 10-Jun-2016 09:46
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MikeB4:

dickytim: Not sure which question is nonsense, but dismissing them is not answering them at all.


 


As I have said many times the problem is across ALL sectors of our society.



I have not said otherwise with my questions.

Please re-read them.

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dickytim:
MikeB4:

 

dickytim: Not sure which question is nonsense, but dismissing them is not answering them at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I have said many times the problem is across ALL sectors of our society.

 



I have not said otherwise with my questions.

Please re-read them.

 

 

 

Are the scandanavians seperated by race like we are? 

 

 

 

The inference here is the issue a race related one, if that is not the intention I apologise.

Are there rules for some and not for others? Are they hamstrung by an ancient and irrelevant treaty?

 

 

 

Our legislation covers everyone, for example point to me where the Crimes Act does not. The Treaty of Waitangi is very relevant and is one of our constitutional documents and our founding document.

What is their pshyce?

 

 

 

I confess I am not sure what you mean by their psyche

Do they all work towards the common good?

 

 

 

I am sure they do as does New Zealanders

What happens when someone or a group doesn't want to work or contribute?

 

 

 

What groups or people are you referring to? Correct me if I am wrong but you seem to infer that if someone or a group of people are not working or contributing it is by choice.

 




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  #1569203 10-Jun-2016 10:16
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I don't want to turn this into a racist thread, but there is most definitely a racial thread to this

 

http://www.justice.govt.nz/policy/constitutional-law-and-human-rights/human-rights/international-human-rights-instruments/international-human-rights-instruments-1/convention-against-torture/united-nations-convention-against-torture-and-other-cruel-inhuman-or-degrding-treatment-or-punishment-new-zealand-periodic-report-6/article-2/5-violence-against-children

 

I firmly believe that if we leave race out of the solution we are never going to get to the bottom of the issue.

 

Please note: By no means am I saying all Maori are bad parents, nor would I even contemplate this.

 

The statistics are that there are more Maori abusers by percentage than other groups.

 

The statistic I was looking at was actually abuse related deaths by race.

 

My opinion on the Treaty of Waitangi is it is creating a divide in NZ based on events that happened when the world was a much different place.


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