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surfisup1000
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  #1564449 2-Jun-2016 18:27
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networkn:

 

surfisup1000:

 

MikeB4: It's being reported that charges have been made.

 

I still don't see anything that says this was a murder. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No-one said anything about Murder, you are the one making the assumption. 

 

The topic is about failure to protect children, and protecting them, means not letting them end up with bullet holes in them!

 

If you can think of a way it's ok for children to have bullet holes in them, let me know. 

 

 

 

 

So, tell me a way to protect children with 100% reliability. 

 

 

 

Jeez. 


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  #1564451 2-Jun-2016 18:27
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networkn:

 

 

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11649450

 

 

 

2 Year old dead in South Auckland, as a result of a gunshot, and a 25 year old is being spoken to by police. 

 

It's almost more than I can bear, how do people even contemplate harming children. I know this thread doesn't change anything, but I felt such helplessness *AGAIN* over the harm people do to kids!

 

 

 

 

I hear you. We often read "only in the US" I feel ashamed at times

 

Kids, shootings, its here big time. We need a motivation to just stop it, but what?

 

We often here we punch above our weight in sport. I'd like to hear how it goes with the bad way. Maybe we need a hard look at ourselves?


 
 
 
 


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  #1564452 2-Jun-2016 18:27
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surfisup1000:

 

networkn:

 

surfisup1000:

 

Talk about jumping to conclusions!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you think of a single good reason for a 2 year old to have sustained gunshot injuries?

 

 

 

 

Happens quite often in the states. I shouldn't need to explain as it so obvious .... gun accidents do happen. Sibling plays with gun/ child plays with gun/ or gun accidentally discharges. 

 

To assume it is a case of child abuse is a little over the top. 

 

 

 

 

Pfft, it's child abuse if you leave a LOADED gun where a child can get access to it. 

 

As per the TOPIC, you are FAILING TO PROTECT YOUR CHILD if you leave them with access to a gun. 

 

 

 

/me shakes my head. 

 

 


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  #1564453 2-Jun-2016 18:29
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So, tell me a way to protect children with 100% reliability. 

 

 

 

Jeez. 

 

 

 

 

Jeez is right.

 

I am going to assume you are trolling. 

 

You should actually read what I wrote.

 

 


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  #1564456 2-Jun-2016 18:33
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Geektastic:

 

Beats me why people have them if they aren't committed to looking after them and to the vast expense that comes with them.

 

That said, I have been often amazed by people I know with them who appear surprised at the costs etc in time as well as money. I have none, fortunately, but I am perfectly capable of working out the inputs required without actually having to do a practical experiment to verify...!

 

 

Can you clarify who "them" are?


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  #1564458 2-Jun-2016 18:34
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Where is the leadership from this segment of NZ society

Oh do a March or a Hikoi, it will all be ok




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  #1564461 2-Jun-2016 18:40
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surfisup1000:

 

networkn:

 

surfisup1000:

 

MikeB4: It's being reported that charges have been made.

 

I still don't see anything that says this was a murder. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No-one said anything about Murder, you are the one making the assumption. 

 

The topic is about failure to protect children, and protecting them, means not letting them end up with bullet holes in them!

 

If you can think of a way it's ok for children to have bullet holes in them, let me know. 

 

 

 

 

So, tell me a way to protect children with 100% reliability. 

 

 

 

Jeez. 

 

 

You don't have a firearms licence. You do not leave firearms and ammunition in the same location and unlocked


 
 
 
 


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  #1564467 2-Jun-2016 18:48
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networkn:

 

surfisup1000:

 

networkn:

 

surfisup1000:

 

Talk about jumping to conclusions!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you think of a single good reason for a 2 year old to have sustained gunshot injuries?

 

 

 

 

Happens quite often in the states. I shouldn't need to explain as it so obvious .... gun accidents do happen. Sibling plays with gun/ child plays with gun/ or gun accidentally discharges. 

 

To assume it is a case of child abuse is a little over the top. 

 

 

 

 

Pfft, it's child abuse if you leave a LOADED gun where a child can get access to it. 

 

As per the TOPIC, you are FAILING TO PROTECT YOUR CHILD if you leave them with access to a gun. 

 

 

 

/me shakes my head. 

 

 

 

 

If I let my child climb a tree at the park that has 'no climbing' sign and the child climbs it and breaks their arm is that child abuse?  

 

I don't think so...stupidity yes, but not abuse. 

 

Abuse to me me is not feeding the child, or beating them. That is intentionally causing harm to the child. 

 

If this case the child finds a hidden gun and kills themself or a sibling then it is more of an accident as noone intended the child to be harmed. 

 

 


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  #1564472 2-Jun-2016 18:56
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networkn:

 

 

So, tell me a way to protect children with 100% reliability. 

 

 

 

Jeez. 

 

 

 

 

Jeez is right.

 

I am going to assume you are trolling. 

 

You should actually read what I wrote.

 

 

Not trolling at all and I did read what you wrote. 

 

You confuse stupidity and criminal recklessness with child abuse.  I'm just making the point you cannot assume this is like that other recent case in taupo. The OP is clearly referring to the awful rate of child abuse in New Zealand ([edit] otherwise what other kids are they referring to?) but this may not be like that.   

 

 

 

 


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  #1564476 2-Jun-2016 18:59
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It's negligence and a preventable death. 


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  #1564477 2-Jun-2016 19:00
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loceff13:

 

It's negligence and a preventable death. 

 

 

I agree completely, but is it child abuse?


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  #1564479 2-Jun-2016 19:03
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surfisup1000:

MikeB4: It's being reported that charges have been made.


I still don't see anything that says this was a murder. 


 



I am very sure I did not say it was murder

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  #1564480 2-Jun-2016 19:05
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surfisup1000:

 

Talk about jumping to conclusions!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you think of a single good reason for a 2 year old to have sustained gunshot injuries?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, if you push me to that then yes. I can.

 

 

 

Picture this: 2 year old with a bomb vest in a public place.

 

 

 

It may sound far fetched but kids have been used by terrorists before.






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  #1564483 2-Jun-2016 19:07
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surfisup1000:

 

networkn:

 

 

So, tell me a way to protect children with 100% reliability. 

 

 

 

Jeez. 

 

 

 

 

Jeez is right.

 

I am going to assume you are trolling. 

 

You should actually read what I wrote.

 

 

Not trolling at all and I did read what you wrote. 

 

You confuse stupidity and criminal recklessness with child abuse.  I'm just making the point you cannot assume this is like that other recent case in taupo. The OP is clearly referring to the awful rate of child abuse in New Zealand ([edit] otherwise what other kids are they referring to?) but this may not be like that.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is true. Let us say that this was an accidental shooting. The child may have been the least abused and most loved child in the universe - an accident does not constitute abuse.

 

If it does, then the lunatics I see driving with a death wish on the roads when they have kids in the car must be abusers as well as idiots?






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  #1564489 2-Jun-2016 19:17
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surfisup1000:

networkn:


surfisup1000:


networkn:


surfisup1000:


Talk about jumping to conclusions!!!!!


 


 



Can you think of a single good reason for a 2 year old to have sustained gunshot injuries?



 


Happens quite often in the states. I shouldn't need to explain as it so obvious .... gun accidents do happen. Sibling plays with gun/ child plays with gun/ or gun accidentally discharges. 


To assume it is a case of child abuse is a little over the top. 


 



Pfft, it's child abuse if you leave a LOADED gun where a child can get access to it. 


As per the TOPIC, you are FAILING TO PROTECT YOUR CHILD if you leave them with access to a gun. 


 


/me shakes my head. 


 



If I let my child climb a tree at the park that has 'no climbing' sign and the child climbs it and breaks their arm is that child abuse?  


I don't think so...stupidity yes, but not abuse. 


Abuse to me me is not feeding the child, or beating them. That is intentionally causing harm to the child. 


If this case the child finds a hidden gun and kills themself or a sibling then it is more of an accident as noone intended the child to be harmed. 


 



Firearms MUST be stored in approved lockers with ammunition stored separately.

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