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MikeB4
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  #1567171 7-Jun-2016 15:31
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networkn:

 

MikeB4:

 

There needs to be changes in health, education and  attitudes. The later will take decades.  Education in my very humble opinion needs fundamental changes. What is the point in teaching a young person who wants to be say a plumber french 

 

higher Math or Geography at secondary school. Teach them about the skills he/she will need to do the job thus giving them a better chance to gain employment. However that is not going to stop them being violent etc, that is attitude changing and needs specialist  help and education in order to break the cycles. Domestic violence, abuse, neglect or any violence is not a socio-economic problem it is a problem full top.

 

 

People change their minds on what they want to be at all stages of their life. Why limit what you teach someone based on what they say at 13? I wanted to be a police officer and a teacher but ended up in IT. Also, plumbers travel, and there is no reason that French couldn't be useful. 

 

At school we had to take 1 term of foreign language and there were 3 choices. I think kids should be encouraged to learn all sorts of things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

By secondary school it is very clear if a young person is capable of learning and passing Math, Physics, French etc so the system should be able to offer alternatives that allows them to learn what they need to learn to do what they want

 

Instead of labeling them for life as failures and setting them down a certain path. 


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  #1567172 7-Jun-2016 15:31
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networkn: Well, I'd have to disagree on your take on reporting being unnecessary. it's how you determine if your teaching is effective (at a broader level). It tells the people who aren't teachers that things aren't working well and changes need to be made. Teaching isn't significantly different from any other role, information is power.

 

Sigh, you just have no idea about how the education system works in NZ.

 

Watch the Inside Education doco.

 

Then join the board of trustees of your local school. Work towards having a sister school that's a decile 1 school with your decile 10 school and work towards improving the achievement across both schools.

 

Then come back to me when you've done that rather than talking conjecture.

 

Throwing more money at education always has a positive outcome for the students and conversely cutting the funding which is what the government has just done tends to do the opposite.





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  #1567213 7-Jun-2016 15:59
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There have been changes in the education system - but every time there's a move away from failure-based assessment to skills-based, there's massive kick-back from those who have vested interests in maintaining the status quo.  


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  #1567224 7-Jun-2016 16:04
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BarTender:

 

networkn: Well, I'd have to disagree on your take on reporting being unnecessary. it's how you determine if your teaching is effective (at a broader level). It tells the people who aren't teachers that things aren't working well and changes need to be made. Teaching isn't significantly different from any other role, information is power.

 

Sigh, you just have no idea about how the education system works in NZ.

 

Watch the Inside Education doco.

 

Then join the board of trustees of your local school. Work towards having a sister school that's a decile 1 school with your decile 10 school and work towards improving the achievement across both schools.

 

Then come back to me when you've done that rather than talking conjecture.

 

Throwing more money at education always has a positive outcome for the students and conversely cutting the funding which is what the government has just done tends to do the opposite.

 

 

 

 

regretfully politicians generally do not get that education is an investment


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  #1567228 7-Jun-2016 16:14
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Fred99:

 

There have been changes in the education system - but every time there's a move away from failure-based assessment to skills-based, there's massive kick-back from those who have vested interests in maintaining the status quo.  

 

 

Said someone else who has never worked in education.

 

The problem is our current education system works extremely well.

 

It's society around it that's dismally failing especially in lower decile areas and schools are just left to pick up the pieces and do the best they can do.





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  #1567231 7-Jun-2016 16:20
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Rikkitic:

 

More to the point, what serious answers does anyone have to change this? I mean serious, realistic, payable, politically acceptable answers that wouldn't get us banned as international pariahs. In other words, you can't just say sterilise everyone who doesn't have a job or allow dairy owners to shoot on sight. What do you do to turn things around?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just to point out that dairy owners in the US could shoot and the US is no pariah because of it.






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  #1567234 7-Jun-2016 16:24
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Rikkitic:

 

It is encouraging to think that things are getting better and will improve in the long term. Accepting this is so, what can we do in the meantime with the lost ones like those kids at the supermarket? It seems a shame to just shut them up in prison for the rest of their lives. Is there no way to find something for them to do that would benefit them and not cause too much distress for the rest of us?

 

 

 

 

Pretty much nothing you do to them will cause me any distress.






 
 
 
 


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  #1567236 7-Jun-2016 16:25
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BarTender:

 

Fred99:

 

There have been changes in the education system - but every time there's a move away from failure-based assessment to skills-based, there's massive kick-back from those who have vested interests in maintaining the status quo.  

 

 

Said someone else who has never worked in education.

 

The problem is our current education system works extremely well.

 

It's society around it that's dismally failing especially in lower decile areas and schools are just left to pick up the pieces and do the best they can do.

 

 

 

 

Instead of wasting money on patrol boats we cannot use, Armoured vehicles we have not used, transport aircraft we don't need the funds could be invested in education. The Globe master currently under consideration tho replace the C130's cost  $US200,000,000+  each. I am sure the average teacher could find far better uses for that money. 


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  #1567262 7-Jun-2016 17:00
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Considering how much politicians get paid, they could donate half their salaries to the good of the country and still earn more than the median.

 

 





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  #1567266 7-Jun-2016 17:09
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Rikkitic:

 

Considering how much politicians get paid, they could donate half their salaries to the good of the country and still earn more than the median.

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are not paid that well for what they do.


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  #1567287 7-Jun-2016 17:23
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MikeB4:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Considering how much politicians get paid, they could donate half their salaries to the good of the country and still earn more than the median.

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are not paid that well for what they do.

 

 

I have no problem with them being paid well for their public service. BUT

 

Why is it that they get a handsome pay rise every year and the public service doesn't.





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  #1567291 7-Jun-2016 17:27
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joker97:

 

MikeB4:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Considering how much politicians get paid, they could donate half their salaries to the good of the country and still earn more than the median.

 

 

 

 

 

 

They are not paid that well for what they do.

 

 

I have no problem with them being paid well for their public service. BUT

 

Why is it that they get a handsome pay rise every year and the public service doesn't.

 

 

 

 

That is not done by the politicians, its assessed independently by the higher salaries commission.


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  #1567404 7-Jun-2016 19:31
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Tangi yesterday:

NZHerald: The two-year-old girl fatally shot in her South Auckland home was farewelled yesterday. Mangere MP Su'a William Sio said the toddler's family travelled up north over the weekend for her tangi at Motuti Marae, Hokianga, where her mother has family ties. He said he understood the youngster was buried at a ceremony yesterday. Mr Sio once again called on the public to not pass judgment and to allow the family to grieve for their child. "My job has been to calm everybody so they don't pass judgment. We all feel for the loss of this young, precious life. "No amount of punishment ... is going to take away the grief."

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  #1567540 7-Jun-2016 23:00
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gzt: Tangi yesterday:

NZHerald: The two-year-old girl fatally shot in her South Auckland home was farewelled yesterday. Mangere MP Su'a William Sio said the toddler's family travelled up north over the weekend for her tangi at Motuti Marae, Hokianga, where her mother has family ties. He said he understood the youngster was buried at a ceremony yesterday. Mr Sio once again called on the public to not pass judgment and to allow the family to grieve for their child. "My job has been to calm everybody so they don't pass judgment. We all feel for the loss of this young, precious life. "No amount of punishment ... is going to take away the grief."

 

 

 

I always find this odd. There is no verb "To farewell" in my dictionary - farewell is a noun.

 

That aside, I see the apologists are to the fore.






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  #1567541 7-Jun-2016 23:03
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MikeB4:

 

BarTender:

 

Fred99:

 

There have been changes in the education system - but every time there's a move away from failure-based assessment to skills-based, there's massive kick-back from those who have vested interests in maintaining the status quo.  

 

 

Said someone else who has never worked in education.

 

The problem is our current education system works extremely well.

 

It's society around it that's dismally failing especially in lower decile areas and schools are just left to pick up the pieces and do the best they can do.

 

 

 

 

Instead of wasting money on patrol boats we cannot use, Armoured vehicles we have not used, transport aircraft we don't need the funds could be invested in education. The Globe master currently under consideration tho replace the C130's cost  $US200,000,000+  each. I am sure the average teacher could find far better uses for that money. 

 

 

 

 

I have said before that I think the forces here would be better re-organised into something similar to either the US Coastguard or the US Marines - probably the former. Maintaining international military capability is really not necessary for us.






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