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  #1565420 3-Jun-2016 21:57
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I blame Occam. Following his teaching, people prefer the simplest explanation.  Shame, I guess he thought he was doing something good for science...





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  #1565439 3-Jun-2016 23:21
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I found it bizarre when people said science and logic disprove existence of god.

 

I think I will use the blog to present my ideas. :-)






 
 
 
 


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  #1565445 3-Jun-2016 23:58
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MikeB4:

 

The good thing about freedom of choice is, freedom of choice. If their freedom of choice does not affect your freedom of choice where is the harm?  

 

 

The harm lies in mitigating the inevitable conflicts that arise when fantasy collides with reality:

 

- creationism vs evolution  

 

- religious "laws" vs civil laws

 

- superstition vs rational action founded on verifiable evidence

 

There are so many areas where unfounded belief conflicts with and undermines rational thought and action it's hard to know where to start. 

 

The government's laissez-faire "market forces" policy on housing is one example. Thousands upon thousands who can't afford homes and the government does.......very close nothing because it mistakenly believes - in the face of all evidence to the contrary - that the market will deliver.

 

It hasn't delivered. It isn't delivering...and it won't unless something changes.

 

That is one concrete example of how magical thinking hurts people. A lot of people. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #1565467 4-Jun-2016 07:42
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Linuxluver:

MikeB4:


The good thing about freedom of choice is, freedom of choice. If their freedom of choice does not affect your freedom of choice where is the harm?  



The harm lies in mitigating the inevitable conflicts that arise when fantasy collides with reality:


- creationism vs evolution  


- religious "laws" vs civil laws


- superstition vs rational action founded on verifiable evidence


There are so many areas where unfounded belief conflicts with and undermines rational thought and action it's hard to know where to start. 


The government's laissez-faire "market forces" policy on housing is one example. Thousands upon thousands who can't afford homes and the government does.......very close nothing because it mistakenly believes - in the face of all evidence to the contrary - that the market will deliver.


It hasn't delivered. It isn't delivering...and it won't unless something changes.


That is one concrete example of how magical thinking hurts people. A lot of people. 


 


 


 


 


 


 



I have to ask is there any discussion you don't turn political ?

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  #1565473 4-Jun-2016 08:06
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Rikkitic:

 

My question was what is it that makes ordinary people so suspicious of science yet so quick to embrace magic. I happen to have some friends who unfortunately fall into this category. They are all kind, intelligent people, which is why they are friends, but they seem convinced that scientific research, including the research that has led to most of the home comforts they take for granted, is somehow tainted and part of a vast conspiracy. Yet they have no problem accepting homoeopathy, astrology, Tarot, and in one case, at least, even the existence of angels! Or to be correct, this friend, regrettably a Kiwi, seems to believe in someone who claims to talk to angels, who tell him things like global warming is just a myth so don't worry about it. Apparently he is very popular in the States and has made a ton of money writing books.

 

I just don't get it. These are not stupid people. I like and respect them and they are perfectly rational and capable about other things. So what causes such people to be so dismissive of the intellectual rigour and painstaking research process of scientific method, yet so quick to embrace the most bizarre superstitions on the word of some charlatan they know only from media like the Internet? What makes the flaky stuff so much easier to believe in than real information garnered from actual facts? I would be very interested to hear what others think about the underlying reasons for this, but disparaging and belittling comments about the thought processes of such people are not really helpful. The fact is, there are an awful lot of people who do think like this, especially in places like America, and I think it is important to understand where it comes from.

 

 

There is a fine line between science and magic.

 

Some things are clear cut.

 

Some things, not so much!

 

Angels telling some people global warming is a myth ... can't help you there ... blame books and the internet. THe pen is mightier than the sword. My mother believes everything posted on facebook like cucumber cures cancer. Or a random pic plucked from somewhere and a news piece that says this man was talking on the iphone while charging and it exploded - do not use your mobile while charging. Is she mad? No.





Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.


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