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  #1580220 25-Jun-2016 16:53
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Fred99:

 

Right-thinking people should in my opinion think beyond the immediate and obvious "solution" put in front of them.

 

 

I think it's difficult for people to think past the immediate because of late the whole world is orientated towards the immediate from the selfie, to twitter, to the immediate like on Facebook. The furthest anyone seems to look these days is the next election.

 

Personally though I wanted brexit because I could see that in 25 or 50 years time there would be no Britain or France or Germany, just some unelected elite in Brussels or Strasbourg (or more likely on the Moon so we couldn't reach them) telling 750 million people how their lives would unfold.


 
 
 

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Cornwall votes to leave, but it still wants that £60M per year EU funding it has been getting.

Now that we know the UK will be leaving the EU we will be taking urgent steps to ensure that the UK Government protects Cornwall’s position in any negotiations.

We will be insisting that Cornwall receives investment equal to that provided by the EU programme which has averaged £60M per year over the last ten years.

– JOHN POLLARD, THE LEADER OF CORNWALL COUNCIL
http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/update/2016-06-24/cornwall-pleas-for-reassurance-it-will-not-be-worse-off-following-brexit-vote/





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  #1580228 25-Jun-2016 17:11
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alexx:

 

Cornwall votes to leave, but it still wants that £60M per year EU funding it has been getting.

 

 

 

Hey, it's perfectly consistent to only want the benefits we want from an institution but none of the burdens. Personally, I can't wait till the likes of Germany and France really stand up to the UK and deal to them.

 

 

 

 




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  #1580231 25-Jun-2016 17:19
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So who voted for Cornwall to leave?

(a)the average Joe Blogs, or
(b)the leadership of "the Cornwall council" who wants to protect his position

As you realise the answer is (b), then Reread that link and see that (b) the leadership (who probably voted to remain anyway) are still lobbying to cover their asses/protect their positions.

How is this surprising?

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  #1580232 25-Jun-2016 17:22
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SJB:

 

By the tone of your comments I'd say you'd be far happier on another planet.

 

 

 

 

Wait, is that an option? This planet felt decidedly smaller this morning...


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  #1580233 25-Jun-2016 17:23
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dejadeadnz:

 

alexx:

 

Cornwall votes to leave, but it still wants that £60M per year EU funding it has been getting.

 

 Personally, I can't wait till the likes of Germany and France really stand up to the UK and deal to them.

 

 

 

Why's that then? (I'm sure this will be interesting)


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dejadeadnz:

 

Hey, it's perfectly consistent to only want the benefits we want from an institution but none of the burdens. Personally, I can't wait till the likes of Germany and France really stand up to the UK and deal to them. 

 

 

Presumably that also means 'deal to' the intelligent, well educated, hard working, racially tolerant 18-25 year olds that voted the 'correct' way to remain.

 

Or maybe the leave voters should be identified, separated and dealt with. Wait.. hasn't that happened on occasion to other groups in the past?


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  #1580249 25-Jun-2016 18:01
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dejadeadnz:

 

alexx:

 

Cornwall votes to leave, but it still wants that £60M per year EU funding it has been getting.

 

 

 

Hey, it's perfectly consistent to only want the benefits we want from an institution but none of the burdens. Personally, I can't wait till the likes of Germany and France really stand up to the UK and deal to them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You sound a bit like the angry, reactionary and illiberal people that you write about in earlier posts and seem to despise so much.





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  #1580273 25-Jun-2016 18:31
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PhantomNVD: So who voted for Cornwall to leave?

(a)the average Joe Blogs, or
(b)the leadership of "the Cornwall council" who wants to protect his position

As you realise the answer is (b), then Reread that link and see that (b) the leadership (who probably voted to remain anyway) are still lobbying to cover their asses/protect their positions.

How is this surprising?

 

Perhaps you mean (a) voted leave, or maybe both (a) and (b), but in any case, the reaction is understandable for a politician looking after their own interests, but not particularly realistic. The areas getting the most benefit from the EU are in the most part, the same areas that voted to leave.

 

 

I doubt that the Remain areas will want to make additional sacrifices to support the Leave areas. Perhaps there should be a referendum to ask them if they want to make up the difference when the EU funding is gone?

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  #1580274 25-Jun-2016 18:37
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Boris is not necessarily a given for PM.

 

I believe that only Conservative MP's get to vote for the leader and there will be a fair number that voted remain and might not want him to win.

 

Theresa May is definitely another candidate. They may end up with a compromise that is less controversial than Boris.


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  #1580277 25-Jun-2016 18:40
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The Cornish council wallah is only saying that he will be trying to get the UK government to match the money the EU was paying once they are no longer paying.

Seems very much what you'd expect him to do if you'd elected him....





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  #1580278 25-Jun-2016 18:42
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Fred99:

SJB:


Fred99:


networkn:


shk292:


 


Exactly


The right thing to do is not always the financially expedient thing to do



Right, I get that, but it's not just Britan they are impacting. There is a chance of a global recession. I believe people should consider the global impact. Right or wrongly, Britan plays a major part in the way the world's finances are glued together.



 


It's not just financial impact either.  The result is a victory for xenophobic isolationist factions worldwide - and it's very obvious where those sentiments lead.  It's no wonder Trump has joined in to support the angry mob.  If extremism becomes mainstream, then we're in dangerous times.


 



I think you are being unfair in effectively labelling everybody who voted leave as xenophobic. Brits as a group are far less xenophobic than New Zealanders in my experience (at least here on the Mainland they are).


It's not the fear of foreigners that caused people to vote leave. It's the sheer numbers of them moving to the UK that was the problem, 1 million every 3 years in a country that is already overcrowded.


And immigration wasn't the only issue although the press would give you the impression it was. Sovereignty was a major problem with EU law taking precedence over UK law. People like to feel in control of their own country.


Control by unelected officials, creeping federalism etc etc. Any number of issues with the EU caused people to vote the way they did.



 


I'm not "effectively labelling everybody who voted to leave as xenophobic".


But it's very naive to think that there isn't strong support from xenophobes, racists, bigots in the Brexit camp (and in the Trump camp).


I don't dispute that there's racism and xenophobia in NZ, and for sure in the SI (I live in Chch).  The last thing I'd want to see is a movement giving them a voice gaining traction. So far when Winston Peters etc step out of line, rejection of his agenda by other political parties is universal.  Brash's "iwi-kiwi" attempt to stir up populist support by dog-whistling racist mantras seems to have consigned him to obscurity.


Compared to the UK - hard to say.  NZ doesn't have a history of race riots in the past 1/2 century, but OTOH NZ is a very small country - and I believe mainly a good one


 



Are you saying that those whose views you deem unacceptable should not be allowed to vote?





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  #1580281 25-Jun-2016 18:48
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Previously there was a bunch of posts 50% insult and 50% debate. Bad enough. That is at most 50% worthwhile. When it gets to 100% insult it is 0% interesting.

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  #1580286 25-Jun-2016 18:58
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alexx:

 

Cornwall votes to leave, but it still wants that £60M per year EU funding it has been getting.

Now that we know the UK will be leaving the EU we will be taking urgent steps to ensure that the UK Government protects Cornwall’s position in any negotiations.

We will be insisting that Cornwall receives investment equal to that provided by the EU programme which has averaged £60M per year over the last ten years.

– JOHN POLLARD, THE LEADER OF CORNWALL COUNCIL
http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/update/2016-06-24/cornwall-pleas-for-reassurance-it-will-not-be-worse-off-following-brexit-vote/

 

 

Cornwall is one of the poorer areas of the U.K. and is one of two UK areas designated as 'less developed regions' which qualify for Cohesion Policy grants from the EU.

 

In line with the graph above, it did vote strongly for the exit and it has quite a strong self-rule movement - or at least, pressure for more autonomy.

 

In this light, Mr Pollard's plea is ironic - it does look like self-preservation - but maybe he's just looking for the best for his county is a more charitable view - that's his job.

 

It does show the range of issues that will come out of the woodwork as this progresses - just heard another one relating to mobile phone roaming issues arising for UK and EU travellers.





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