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  #1578619 22-Jun-2016 19:43
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Fred99:

 

Geektastic:

 

jonathan18:

 

I can't tell which are worse - coffee snobs or wine snobs?

 

Seriously - there are many reasons why people may elect to drink instant; speed, convenience, the flavoured options... indeed, there are some that prefer it to an espresso, cold brew or whatever other method is in vogue at the moment.

 

If you're into your "real" coffee, that's cool - no-one's stopping you. But is there really a need to try to prove your class (in its multiple meanings) by knocking others' tastes?

 

 

 

 

Another reason, of course, is that they do not like coffee...! cool

 

 

 

 

A fair call - if coffee's not their cup of tea then...

 

Anyway, I'm a wine snob and a coffee snob and a food snob, somewhat of a whisky snob though that's moderated by the fact that there's probably no such thing as a bad whisky. I suspect I'm probably a movie snob, book snob.  If I smoked, it'd be premium quality coffin nails or Cuban cigars - not Winfield or Holiday.  

 

There's seldom a valid excuse for instant coffee - in my opinion of course.  However in the scale of crimes against decency and taste, it's a relatively minor transgression, compared to most of the food and drink items listed in the "great products which have disappeared" thread.

 

 

 

 

No such thing as bad whisky? You've never had Bells then....






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  #1578636 22-Jun-2016 20:22
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Fred99:

 

A fair call - if coffee's not their cup of tea then...

 

Anyway, I'm a wine snob and a coffee snob and a food snob, somewhat of a whisky snob though that's moderated by the fact that there's probably no such thing as a bad whisky. I suspect I'm probably a movie snob, book snob.  If I smoked, it'd be premium quality coffin nails or Cuban cigars - not Winfield or Holiday.  

 

There's seldom a valid excuse for instant coffee - in my opinion of course.  However in the scale of crimes against decency and taste, it's a relatively minor transgression, compared to most of the food and drink items listed in the "great products which have disappeared" thread.

 

 

 

 

The aesthetic choices of a person create class fractions (class-based social groups) and actively distance one social class from the other social classes of a society. Hence, predispositions to certain kinds of food, music, and art are taught and instilled to children, which specific tastes then guide the children to their appropriate social positions. Therefore, self-selection to a class fraction is achieved by impelling the child’s internalization of preferences for objects and behaviors suitable for him or her (as member of a given social class), and the development of an aversion towards the preferred objects and behaviors of the other social classes. In practice, when a man or a woman encounters the culture and the arts of another social class, he or she feels “disgust, provoked by horror, or visceral intolerance (‘feeling sick’) of the tastes of others.”[5]

 

Therefore, “Taste” is an important example of cultural hegemony, of how class fractions are determined, not only by the possession of social capital and of economic capital, but by the possession of cultural capital, which is an insidious social mechanism that ensures the social reproduction and the cultural reproduction of the ruling class. Moreover, because a person is taught his or her tastes at an early age, and thus are deeply internalized, such social conditionings are very difficult to change, and thus tend to permanently identify a person as having originated in a certain social class, which then impedes upward social mobility. In that way, the cultural tastes of the dominant (ruling) class tend to dominate the tastes of the other social classes, thus forcing individual men and women of economically and culturally dominated classes to conform to certain aesthetic preferences, lest they risk societal disapproval by appearing to be crude, vulgar, and tasteless persons.

 

(Describing the theory argued in "Distinction" by Pierre Bourdieu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_(book)


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  #1578649 22-Jun-2016 20:56
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I got quite excited when I saw there were so many replies...





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  #1578745 22-Jun-2016 23:46
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jonathan18:

I can't tell which are worse - coffee snobs or wine snobs?


Seriously - there are many reasons why people may elect to drink instant; speed, convenience, the flavoured options... indeed, there are some that prefer it to an espresso, cold brew or whatever other method is in vogue at the moment.


If you're into your "real" coffee, that's cool - no-one's stopping you. But is there really a need to try to prove your class (in its multiple meanings) by knocking others' tastes?

lighten up

Plot twist: I drink instant coffee

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jonathan18:

 

Fred99:

 

A fair call - if coffee's not their cup of tea then...

 

Anyway, I'm a wine snob and a coffee snob and a food snob, somewhat of a whisky snob though that's moderated by the fact that there's probably no such thing as a bad whisky. I suspect I'm probably a movie snob, book snob.  If I smoked, it'd be premium quality coffin nails or Cuban cigars - not Winfield or Holiday.  

 

There's seldom a valid excuse for instant coffee - in my opinion of course.  However in the scale of crimes against decency and taste, it's a relatively minor transgression, compared to most of the food and drink items listed in the "great products which have disappeared" thread.

 

 

 

 

The aesthetic choices of a person create class fractions (class-based social groups) and actively distance one social class from the other social classes of a society. Hence, predispositions to certain kinds of food, music, and art are taught and instilled to children, which specific tastes then guide the children to their appropriate social positions. Therefore, self-selection to a class fraction is achieved by impelling the child’s internalization of preferences for objects and behaviors suitable for him or her (as member of a given social class), and the development of an aversion towards the preferred objects and behaviors of the other social classes. In practice, when a man or a woman encounters the culture and the arts of another social class, he or she feels “disgust, provoked by horror, or visceral intolerance (‘feeling sick’) of the tastes of others.”[5]

 

Therefore, “Taste” is an important example of cultural hegemony, of how class fractions are determined, not only by the possession of social capital and of economic capital, but by the possession of cultural capital, which is an insidious social mechanism that ensures the social reproduction and the cultural reproduction of the ruling class. Moreover, because a person is taught his or her tastes at an early age, and thus are deeply internalized, such social conditionings are very difficult to change, and thus tend to permanently identify a person as having originated in a certain social class, which then impedes upward social mobility. In that way, the cultural tastes of the dominant (ruling) class tend to dominate the tastes of the other social classes, thus forcing individual men and women of economically and culturally dominated classes to conform to certain aesthetic preferences, lest they risk societal disapproval by appearing to be crude, vulgar, and tasteless persons.

 

(Describing the theory argued in "Distinction" by Pierre Bourdieu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_(book)

 

 

 

 

That's quite a thesis.

 

Just pointing out that "taste" has a couple of meanings here, the one associated with "buds" is probably the one we should focus on WRT instant coffee.  

 

 


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  #1578905 23-Jun-2016 11:49
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm   cool


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  #1578917 23-Jun-2016 12:04
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Zippity:

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm   cool

 

 

 

 

There's no H in mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

 

 


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  #1578918 23-Jun-2016 12:09
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Fred99: There's seldom a valid excuse for instant coffee - in my opinion of course.  However in the scale of crimes against decency and taste, it's a relatively minor transgression, compared to most of the food and drink items listed in the "great products which have disappeared" thread.

 

 

 

 

I'll take an average instant over a poor barista-made one any day.





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  #1579107 23-Jun-2016 17:05
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tchart:

 

How about ordering from office max?

 

 

 

https://www.officemax.co.nz/Coffee/Instant-Coffee/Moccona-Vanilla-Flavour-Freeze-Dried-Instant-Coffee-95g-Jar-2659999

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yup went ahead and did that yesterday thanks.





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  #1579110 23-Jun-2016 17:30
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Moccona Classic with half near boiling water and half milk.

 

Stick in microwave for 24 seconds (heat up to drinking temperature, and ensure the cup handle is back to convenient position based on a 12 second plate revolution).

 

Enjoy.


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  #1579111 23-Jun-2016 17:30
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Fred99:

 

jonathan18:

 

The aesthetic choices of a person create class fractions (class-based social groups) and actively distance one social class from the other social classes of a society. Hence, predispositions to certain kinds of food, music, and art are taught and instilled to children, which specific tastes then guide the children to their appropriate social positions. Therefore, self-selection to a class fraction is achieved by impelling the child’s internalization of preferences for objects and behaviors suitable for him or her (as member of a given social class), and the development of an aversion towards the preferred objects and behaviors of the other social classes. In practice, when a man or a woman encounters the culture and the arts of another social class, he or she feels “disgust, provoked by horror, or visceral intolerance (‘feeling sick’) of the tastes of others.”[5]

 

Therefore, “Taste” is an important example of cultural hegemony, of how class fractions are determined, not only by the possession of social capital and of economic capital, but by the possession of cultural capital, which is an insidious social mechanism that ensures the social reproduction and the cultural reproduction of the ruling class. Moreover, because a person is taught his or her tastes at an early age, and thus are deeply internalized, such social conditionings are very difficult to change, and thus tend to permanently identify a person as having originated in a certain social class, which then impedes upward social mobility. In that way, the cultural tastes of the dominant (ruling) class tend to dominate the tastes of the other social classes, thus forcing individual men and women of economically and culturally dominated classes to conform to certain aesthetic preferences, lest they risk societal disapproval by appearing to be crude, vulgar, and tasteless persons.

 

(Describing the theory argued in "Distinction" by Pierre Bourdieu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_(book)

 

 

 

 

That's quite a thesis.

 

Just pointing out that "taste" has a couple of meanings here, the one associated with "buds" is probably the one we should focus on WRT instant coffee.  

 

 

 

 

Yep, I do get that; my Masters thesis owed a significant debt to Distinction. As it happens, it's in regards to the other meaning of "taste" I quoted the above! 


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jonathan18:

 

Fred99:

 

jonathan18:

 

The aesthetic choices of a person create class fractions (class-based social groups) and actively distance one social class from the other social classes of a society. Hence, predispositions to certain kinds of food, music, and art are taught and instilled to children, which specific tastes then guide the children to their appropriate social positions. Therefore, self-selection to a class fraction is achieved by impelling the child’s internalization of preferences for objects and behaviors suitable for him or her (as member of a given social class), and the development of an aversion towards the preferred objects and behaviors of the other social classes. In practice, when a man or a woman encounters the culture and the arts of another social class, he or she feels “disgust, provoked by horror, or visceral intolerance (‘feeling sick’) of the tastes of others.”[5]

 

Therefore, “Taste” is an important example of cultural hegemony, of how class fractions are determined, not only by the possession of social capital and of economic capital, but by the possession of cultural capital, which is an insidious social mechanism that ensures the social reproduction and the cultural reproduction of the ruling class. Moreover, because a person is taught his or her tastes at an early age, and thus are deeply internalized, such social conditionings are very difficult to change, and thus tend to permanently identify a person as having originated in a certain social class, which then impedes upward social mobility. In that way, the cultural tastes of the dominant (ruling) class tend to dominate the tastes of the other social classes, thus forcing individual men and women of economically and culturally dominated classes to conform to certain aesthetic preferences, lest they risk societal disapproval by appearing to be crude, vulgar, and tasteless persons.

 

(Describing the theory argued in "Distinction" by Pierre Bourdieu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_(book)

 

 

 

 

That's quite a thesis.

 

Just pointing out that "taste" has a couple of meanings here, the one associated with "buds" is probably the one we should focus on WRT instant coffee.  

 

 

 

 

Yep, I do get that; my Masters thesis owed a significant debt to Distinction. As it happens, it's in regards to the other meaning of "taste" I quoted the above! 

 



 

I get that.  You're dropping in to the conversation the subject of your thesis (thus pushing the concept of education as determinant of cultural capital) in an attempt to hijack my pushing of quality of coffee (and food etc) as a determinant of cultural capital. 


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corksta:

 

Does anyone know where you can buy a jar of the Moccona coffee with a hint of vanilla?

 

I can't seem to find it at several supermarkets I've looked at across Auckland.

 

I've tried the others, I want the vanilla!

 

 

This happens a lot. Now, if I see something I like, I buy 2,3 4 or even 5 of them. Then the store can run out for months and I'm OK. 

 

Nosh is like this with the Waitrose instant coffee. I like the "French Blend". But they only get shipments twice a year and the French Blend sells out in a week. This time around I bought 3 jars. They are now out of stock and won't have any for months. But I'm OK. 

 

Maybe you can find it online? 

 

 





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Linuxluver:

 

corksta:

 

Does anyone know where you can buy a jar of the Moccona coffee with a hint of vanilla?

 

I can't seem to find it at several supermarkets I've looked at across Auckland.

 

I've tried the others, I want the vanilla!

 

 

This happens a lot. Now, if I see something I like, I buy 2,3 4 or even 5 of them. Then the store can run out for months and I'm OK. 

 

Nosh is like this with the Waitrose instant coffee. I like the "French Blend". But they only get shipments twice a year and the French Blend sells out in a week. This time around I bought 3 jars. They are now out of stock and won't have any for months. But I'm OK. 

 

Maybe you can find it online? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah ended up buying it online from OfficeMax, cost $20 or so, so will see how it goes!





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