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#1580902 27-Jun-2016 09:23

Open this and follow the replies by "MissMiami":

Ive spent my career working on cancer research; only pos by EU funding. I hope Brexiters realise devastation this will cause to medicine

— Dr Anita Sharma (@ImAnitaSharma) June 24, 2016

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#1580908 27-Jun-2016 09:35

There's a lot of face-palmery there.

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#1580954 27-Jun-2016 11:19

@freitasm:

Open this and follow the replies by "MissMiami":

Ive spent my career working on cancer research; only pos by EU funding. I hope Brexiters realise devastation this will cause to medicine

— Dr Anita Sharma (@ImAnitaSharma) June 24, 2016

I am a bit confused?

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#1580959 27-Jun-2016 11:31

Click the date and you will see the Twitter stream. Read the first tweet and the follow replies from "MissMiami". The dumb is strong there.

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#1580972 27-Jun-2016 11:59

@freitasm:

Click the date and you will see the Twitter stream. Read the first tweet and the follow replies from "MissMiami". The dumb is strong there.

Ok, I got you. I wasn't sure how it fit in this thread as Dr Anita Sharma is also a muslim.

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#1580983 27-Jun-2016 12:17

That cancer research is just another conspiracy.

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#1580986 27-Jun-2016 12:21

@Rikkitic:

That cancer research is just another conspiracy.

Similar to Fluoride conspiracy - my heart weeps every time I heard ads from http://fluoridefree.org.nz/ on the radio.

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#1581051 27-Jun-2016 13:07

nakedmolerat:

@Rikkitic:

That cancer research is just another conspiracy.

Similar to Fluoride conspiracy - my heart weeps every time I heard ads from http://fluoridefree.org.nz/ on the radio.

Newstalk ZB is more or less the only station my import radio can receive. They must cater to about 90% of that demographic, based on the endless stream of ads for snake oil supplements they run.

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#1581641 28-Jun-2016 07:11

Rikkitic:
That cancer research is just another conspiracy.

Every time someone talks about this I remind them of Steve Jobs.

OTOH, those suspicious of whether their treatment actually works have a valid point.
https://www.ted.com/talks/atul_gawande_how_do_we_heal_medicine/transcript?language=en

I was also suggested a book called bad pharma. I haven't read it so can't comment. It's like building a house. How do you know a Builder or any trades person is not just talking up a product because he stands to benefit from it.

It's less a problem in NZ. Pharmac controls those products, doctors very seldom have direct interest in them barring a handful. I think.

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#1581677 28-Jun-2016 08:28

Unfortunately there is a lot of commercially-driven crap and nonsense that many people can't or won't properly judge. What I will never understand, though, is why people are so quick to distrust science, yet equally quick to uncritically embrace the most idiotic superstitions. I started a thread on magical thinking that discusses this. Many people seem to prefer magic. I don't know why.

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#1581683 28-Jun-2016 08:37

joker97:

It's less a problem in NZ. Pharmac controls those products, doctors very seldom have direct interest in them barring a handful. I think.

Could easily change though. There are only two countries in the world that allow direct-to-consumer pharmaceutical advertising. The US is one. Guess who the other one is?

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#1581719 28-Jun-2016 09:43

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#1581721 28-Jun-2016 09:49

SaltyNZ:

joker97:

It's less a problem in NZ. Pharmac controls those products, doctors very seldom have direct interest in them barring a handful. I think.

Could easily change though. There are only two countries in the world that allow direct-to-consumer pharmaceutical advertising. The US is one. Guess who the other one is?

You missed one thing there - "prescription" pharmaceuticals.

Most (all) countries allow advertising of cough lollies etc.

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#1581722 28-Jun-2016 09:50

Yes I was going to add that, plus that I'm sure each drug company puts commercial interests ahead of actual benefit when they sell it to doctors. And I believe they recruit directly or subconsciously doctors to champion their products. But new Zealand is ok i can assure you don't read the Aussie and American horror it's very different over there

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#1581734 28-Jun-2016 10:11

joker97: Yes I was going to add that, plus that I'm sure each drug company puts commercial interests ahead of actual benefit when they sell it to doctors. And I believe they recruit directly or subconsciously doctors to champion their products. But new Zealand is ok i can assure you don't read the Aussie and American horror it's very different over there

I think that there's possibly a trade-off or compromise deal that's been made in the past between government and centralised buying / Pharmac and the pharma companies. Allowing them (pharma companies) to advertise thus create patient demand for a particular product when alternatives (incl generics) prices are set by Pharmac allows them a chance to differentiate. Most GPs would probably discuss the cheaper alternative even if the "brand name" was requested. Sometimes there actually is a difference, and if that is what the patient wants and they believe it's better, then it's probably not reasonable to deny them that choice.

From our POV it actually is magic. We don't really know how most drugs work, so are reliant on "faith" that our GP or specialist or pharmacist knows. Sometimes nobody knows except that it just works (ie Paracetamol - mechanism of action isn't very well understood at all). That creates a difficulty - I certainly won't (at least while I'm reasonably compos mentis) take a prescription medication unless I have some understanding of how it works, benefits and possible side-effects, and alternatives. Many people do though - based on 100% faith. Most times that works okay.

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