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  Reply # 1598689 26-Jul-2016 08:13
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People don't want to believe it as they don't want their toys taken away




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  Reply # 1598691 26-Jul-2016 08:15
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gzt:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-and-global-warming.htm

Numerous sources including government sources provide the same stats.

Unfortunately a lot of this thread looks like arguing with conspiracy theorists. There is always some other reason and some other reason but essentially there is a belief that it is a large conspiracy.

Also the potential solutions are just overwhelming for some people.

Some people really have trouble believing humans can affect anything at all on a global scale and just retreat into a mental fog la la land.





Where is the diagram showing the comparison to other greenhouse gases produce vs. human caused ones?

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MikeB4: People don't want to believe it as they don't want their toys taken away

 

China actually believes it, oil companies do as well, and your right. The 2.5% that publically don't officially subscribe to global warming are those that "represent" these areas, who benefit from fossil fuel production and use.


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  Reply # 1598693 26-Jul-2016 08:17
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jpoc:

 

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About the only thing that could ever provide enough cheap energy to replace fossil fuels - Nuclear Fusion. So better hope that practical nuclear fusion gets perfected soon.

 

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Agreed.

 

I put actual money behind that concept and invested in Lockheed-Martin. Let's hope that their compact high-beta fusion project plays out according to the projected timescales.

 

The managers there are putting big money - shareholder funds - my money - behind the concept. They seem to be confident.

 

 

 

We already have a very good fusion reactor.  We simply need better tech to capture and store its energy.

 

 





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  Reply # 1598696 26-Jul-2016 08:22
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gzt:

https://www.skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-and-global-warming.htm

Numerous sources including government sources provide the same stats.

Unfortunately a lot of this thread looks like arguing with conspiracy theorists. There is always some other reason and some other reason but essentially there is a belief that it is a large conspiracy.

Also the potential solutions are just overwhelming for some people.

Some people really have trouble believing humans can affect anything at all on a global scale and just retreat into a mental fog la la land.



 

The simple concept is this. You heat your house. Then you insulate it, yet you keep heating at the same rate, thats Earth

 

I can understand where some feel the earth is far too big and us too small to matter. Look at the infrequent volcano's that the smoke is seen easily via satellite images across large swaths of continent(s). We can populate the atmosphere with contaminants, its not hard. 


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  Reply # 1598700 26-Jul-2016 08:28
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MikeAqua:

 

We already have a very good fusion reactor.  We simply need better tech to capture and store its energy.

 

 

You mean the sun? 

 

 

 

Billions have been spent on solar-electricity generation , and even more on battery tech. 

 

Yet solar panel efficiency is still really low, and my iphone will still only run for a day. 

 

Battery tech is particularly nasty because it involves nasty chemicals that sometimes like to explode. 

 

There was an exciting breakthrough doing the rounds in the news a few years back, but it fizzled....

 

http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/solar-energy-breakthrough-387030

 

 

 

Small fusion reactors is still the ultimate goal. Imagine how we could transform the planet.  It would be an end to global warming as we'd have infinite energy to suck out the CO2 from the air. 


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No problem the earth will eventually recover after the blip of human infestation has ended.





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I absolutely believe the climate is changing and I'm sure human activity is responsible for a big chunk of that.

 

I'm highly skeptical of scientists modelling such a complex system (I have a science background), and claiming any sort of accuracy.

 

All scientific models are wrong.  The question is: By how much?

 

It also concerns me that it has become anathema to be a climate change sceptic. All ideas should be open to debate and criticism.

 

If you make it politically unacceptable to criticise climate science change, and make a whole lot of money available for proving it you are really gambling with science quality.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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No problem the earth will eventually recover after the blip of human infestation has ended.

 

 

Not once the tipping point has been reached, where the human involvement wont matter, it will be self propelling. Factors that are part and parcel of your environment will be gone. Ice, most vegetation. Stagnancy and methane will take over


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MikeAqua:

 

I absolutely believe the climate is changing and I'm sure human activity is responsible for a big chunk of that.

 

I'm highly skeptical of scientists modelling such a complex system (I have a science background), and claiming any sort of accuracy.

 

All scientific models are wrong.  The question is: By how much?

 

It also concerns me that it has become anathema to be a climate change sceptic. All ideas should be open to debate and criticism.

 

If you make it politically unacceptable to criticise climate science change, and make a whole lot of money available for proving it you are really gambling with science quality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have no issue with folks that are at odds with the nitty gritty of climate change, however I feel those who deny it or deny that the inhabitants of earth are responsible for a large percentage are fooling themselves.

 

Panicking seldom solves problems, inaction does not get off the starting blocks. 





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  Reply # 1598758 26-Jul-2016 09:53
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kotuku4:

 

No problem the earth will eventually recover after the blip of human infestation has ended.

 

 

Not once the tipping point has been reached, where the human involvement wont matter, it will be self propelling. Factors that are part and parcel of your environment will be gone. Ice, most vegetation. Stagnancy and methane will take over

 

 

I was being sarcastic. Or realistic, eventually our human plague will end one way or another.  A minor blip in time, on the geological time scale with earth being about 4.54 billion years old.

 

I believe that we should all take responsibility and action to reduce our impact on the earth.  I have PV solar power grid tied that exports more power than used overall, upgraded home insulation and double glazed, rode an electric bike to work this morning, don't travel overseas, have a garden and recycle/compost etc.     





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  Reply # 1599018 26-Jul-2016 13:31
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Do you buy stuff from overseas or made with ingredients from overseas?

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joker97: Do you buy stuff from overseas or made with ingredients from overseas?

 

 

 

Yeap we all do. We are supposed to be smart, learn, adapt and survive. Finds ways to improve our lives. We can do simple things to offset the negatives and reduce our impact. Sometimes reducing waste and costs.

 

For me doing nothing is not an option. I know others have different views.

 

 





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joker97: Do you buy stuff from overseas or made with ingredients from overseas?

 

 

 

Yeap we all do. We are supposed to be smart, learn, adapt and survive. Finds ways to improve our lives. We can do simple things to offset the negatives and reduce our impact. Sometimes reducing waste and costs.

 

For me doing nothing is not an option. I know others have different views.

 

 

 

 

Id love all emissions to be dyed. Black. So the masses can see. To me, it wont matter, to my kids, wont matter, to my grandkids probably not, but I care. Dang, I need a cryo cage to suss it out with you lot on 200 years


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Hmmm, whenever I see this debate on climate change, I think of the famous quote attributed Sir Winston Churchill. It goes something like this, "There's Lies, Damn Lies, and then there's Statistics".

 

Climate change has been going on for ever. I'm yet to be convinced that mankind is the principle cause or that mankind can stop climate change.  Part of my scepticism is based on the fact that it's very easy to pluck statistics from a period in time to prove your point. Detailed climatic temperature records are very recent with records only beginning around the 1850's. There is no detail prior to this time.

 

However there's evidence show the earth has been much warmer then it is now, long before the age of fossil fuels.  

 

How was it that the earth was so warm that long ago?

 

It certainly wasn't mankind burning fossil fuels. The earth also cooled down without human intervention.

 

While it's good that we use our energy supplies efficiently, I'm not sure it's smart spending vast quantities of money trying to prevent climate change, a change which is yet to be proven mankind can actually stop. Rather we should be spending the money to find ways to mitigate the effect of climate change.

 

To finish, as I posted on another thread on a similar topic. If we are really serious about reducing CO2 emissions we'd all better be prepared for a vast change in our life style. No overseas travel, (perhaps sailing ships), no imported goods, no more manufactured goods, no more decent roads or upkeep on the ones we have, go back to walking everywhere, subsistence life style, etc, etc. Will that happen? I think not.





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