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  Reply # 1656255 22-Oct-2016 17:56
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THeres a couple of new theories you should check out..

 

big bang maybe wrong and these other theories fill in the

 

missing ideas of dark energy and matter which is not needed in them

 

 

 

1) Electric Universe theory

 

2) Andersons Fractual Density Unified Theory (Kiwi guy)

 

 

 

links can google I think

 

 

 

 

 

they say satellites clocks have to be adjusted proves space-time

 

but couldnt it also be that decay changes depending how it passes through the earths field

 

which varies as go higher? since they are atomic clocks

 

 

 

not as if can see whats happening at the center of atoms


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  Reply # 1656307 22-Oct-2016 18:56
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I've checked out most of them and determined that it is more likely that there is a god than to be in a parallel universe of infinite possibilities all existing at the same time at all times, and same conclusion from most other theories.


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  Reply # 1656320 22-Oct-2016 19:04
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lol keep checking them out.. seems your conclusion is wrong still.. big bang was the proposal of a priest

 

and all the big bang scientists (and cern) cant let it go and keep trying to prove dark energy to make it work cos they need a universe to have a beginning instead of it always existed and infinite (dark energy which they claim now with a big laser experiment which cant be duplicated? and is also affected by being on the

 

earths surface and all the other factors that can void the experiment as true and why some galaxies

 

arent moving away at the same speed and all the other errors.


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  Reply # 1656327 22-Oct-2016 19:16
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seems like the only acceleration is the number of theories about whether there is acceleration or not


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  Reply # 1656398 22-Oct-2016 23:30
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Planet Nine is in the (serious) news:

"Planet Nine's days of lurking unseen in the dark depths of the outer solar system may be numbered. The hypothetical giant planet, which is thought to be about 10 times more massive than Earth, will be discovered within 16 months or so, astronomer Mike Brown predicted."

http://www.space.com/34455-planet-nine-discovery-coming-soon.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/10/new-dwarf-planet-points-planet-nine

Reading Wikipedia it appears the level of seriousness has increased for the last 10 years or so:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Nine

Along the way I noticed the Pioneer anomaly was solved, and it wasn't planet 9 : ).





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  Reply # 1656416 23-Oct-2016 06:55
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@joker97:

I've checked out most of them and determined that it is more likely that there is a god than to be in a parallel universe of infinite possibilities all existing at the same time at all times, and same conclusion from most other theories.



Agreed. K.I.S.S.!

It is a new form of priesthood that everything said/proposed by those in the "white coat" must be true.

I would like to to use & depend on my own logic and intellect to justify what I should believe. The worst proposed theory so far is that this world was created out of nothing - which contradict established laws of physics and simple basic logic. They tried to justify this with quantum theory (which is essentially not really out of nothingness) and so forth.

If Jupiter doesn't exist, earth won't exist. If mesosphere is not present, the earth will not be like the earth as we know it now... I am still waiting for something to be created in front of me by chance after 6 hours of sleep every night.





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  Reply # 1656418 23-Oct-2016 07:21
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nakedmolerat:

 

It is a new form of priesthood that everything said/proposed by those in the "white coat" must be true.

I would like to to use & depend on my own logic and intellect to justify what I should believe. The worst proposed theory so far is that this world was created out of nothing - which contradict established laws of physics and simple basic logic. They tried to justify this with quantum theory (which is essentially not really out of nothingness) and so forth.

 

You mean this theory?

 

Michio Kaku uses the word a lot, I am using it as a loose term to juxtapose the fact that we know so little anything is possible.


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  Reply # 1656453 23-Oct-2016 08:44
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nakedmolerat:

I would like to to use & depend on my own logic and intellect to justify what I should believe. The worst proposed theory so far is that this world was created out of nothing - which contradict established laws of physics and simple basic logic. They tried to justify this with quantum theory (which is essentially not really out of nothingness) and so forth.

 

 

 

Using our own logic and intellect to justify what we believe is that it's limited by what we can observe.

 

We observe stuff as being solid - when it's really mainly nothing, the sun moved over a flat earth until a lot of thought went in to explaining why closer observations showed inconsistencies.  Einstein didn't magic-up theories out of thin air, but built them on the back of centuries of science.

 

I think the theory of the zero energy universe is best of all - but not necessarily the best candidate for being the "correct" theory - I don't have a clue.  I don't see the contradiction against established laws and logic - it's no worse than other theories - much better than many.  Even as observation is getting closer to that point (of creation) we're probably never going to be able to answer the big question anyway (why did creation happen?).  




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  Reply # 1656455 23-Oct-2016 08:46
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gzt: Planet Nine is in the (serious) news:

"Planet Nine's days of lurking unseen in the dark depths of the outer solar system may be numbered. The hypothetical giant planet, which is thought to be about 10 times more massive than Earth, will be discovered within 16 months or so, astronomer Mike Brown predicted."

http://www.space.com/34455-planet-nine-discovery-coming-soon.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/10/new-dwarf-planet-points-planet-nine

Reading Wikipedia it appears the level of seriousness has increased for the last 10 years or so:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Nine

Along the way I noticed the Pioneer anomaly was solved, and it wasn't planet 9 : ).




 

Seems odd that we have such large telescopes, that can apparently see this object, and its on the outer of our solar system, not hundreds of light years away, that we still can't see it. I know we cant see exoplanets either, we need a star to indicate to us, but a planet that could be much larger than Earth, in our solar system? 




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  Reply # 1656468 23-Oct-2016 08:54
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I cant buy into the big bang creating everything. The Universe is expanding, but the relationship between expansion and contraction is very very small. Cant recall the numeric details now, but if gravity was a teeny bit stronger, that would cause contraction, leading to the big crunch theory. To me, imagine if the universe did contract in the past, and 13.7 billion years ago, it contracted so much, to such an ever increasing density, it then responded by exploding, aka big bang. So, that matter has always existed


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  Reply # 1656477 23-Oct-2016 09:15
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tdgeek:

 

I cant buy into the big bang creating everything. The Universe is expanding, but the relationship between expansion and contraction is very very small. Cant recall the numeric details now, but if gravity was a teeny bit stronger, that would cause contraction, leading to the big crunch theory. To me, imagine if the universe did contract in the past, and 13.7 billion years ago, it contracted so much, to such an ever increasing density, it then responded by exploding, aka big bang. So, that matter has always existed

 

 

 

 

I guess that ties in with observation of the (rate of) expansion and calculated mass etc, but in some models then it's on a knife edge between expanding forever and collapsing.

 

I don't have a problem with that.  For starters it could be wrong and it's not as close as some theories claim, but mainly (IMO) it doesn't really matter as there are many possible ways in which from the point of creation, if anything was only very slightly different, then the universe wouldn't have formed, would have immediately collapsed back on itself, wouldn't have evolved in a way allowing for formation of matter - of stars and galaxies and us (and whatever else might be out there) to observe it.

 

It's Sunday - but I surely aren't going to church to look for answers.


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  Reply # 1656483 23-Oct-2016 09:22
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I favour the theory that our skulls are just too small to comprehend the answer, though I don't think we should give up trying.

 

 





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Rikkitic:

 

I favour the theory that our skulls are just too small to comprehend the answer, though I don't think we should give up trying.

 

 

 

 

Thats the thing. We have laws of physics, but they are in fact only the laws that we know so far, not all of what can happen


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  Reply # 1656534 23-Oct-2016 11:42
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tdgeek:

gzt: Planet Nine is in the (serious) news:

"Planet Nine's days of lurking unseen in the dark depths of the outer solar system may be numbered. The hypothetical giant planet, which is thought to be about 10 times more massive than Earth, will be discovered within 16 months or so, astronomer Mike Brown predicted."

http://www.space.com/34455-planet-nine-discovery-coming-soon.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/10/new-dwarf-planet-points-planet-nine

Reading Wikipedia it appears the level of seriousness has increased for the last 10 years or so:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Nine

Along the way I noticed the Pioneer anomaly was solved, and it wasn't planet 9 : ).


Seems odd that we have such large telescopes, that can apparently see this object, and its on the outer of our solar system, not hundreds of light years away, that we still can't see it. I know we cant see exoplanets either, we need a star to indicate to us, but a planet that could be much larger than Earth, in our solar system? 


I agree initially seems odd. In reality, it is very far, faint.

Quite possibly from our perspective it is against the background of the milky way for considerable time. That would really make it tricky.

Yes, it is likely it can be seen. There is a five year project under way to spot it, mainly because most of the telescope time is booked for other things i think.

It is possible an enthusiastic amateur will spot it. The professionals have made a few cuts at narrowing the possible places it could be.

By the way, with the distance options beginning at 600au and extending to 1200au that is 6-12 times further than Voyager's current position.

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  Reply # 1656544 23-Oct-2016 12:48

tdgeek:

 

Rikkitic:

 

I favour the theory that our skulls are just too small to comprehend the answer, though I don't think we should give up trying.

 

 

 

 

Thats the thing. We have laws of physics, but they are in fact only the laws that we know so far, not all of what can happen

 

 

 

 

They used to have laws of Physics.

 

I think those ideas were based on religion and the idea of understanding God's laws.

 

But, nowdays Science is more about models and testing them.

 

There is no assumption we have arrived (or can arrive) at a total understanding of reality.

 

Newton discovered 'laws' of gravity.

 

But, Einstein came up with a better 'theory' of Relativity.

 

Of course,  that doesn't mean we can reject Science/Physics because it doesn't completely answer these big questions.

 

We have learned a lot!

 

Science is useful and, so far, the only way to examine physical reality.


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