mobygeek: Oh well, at least it wasn't 'Nazisistic'...
I think you are spelling that wrong. But on that point, I don't think it is the governments place to control who can and can not have or raise children. Ozzy tried that when they too aboriginal kids away from the family and forced them to adopt a new culture.
The thread is on Party pill alternatives, it's shifted over into morality and family values and personal dramas.
I say do some research into what your local vet supplies, the BZP is a worming tablet as mentioned in the thread.
Jeffthechef: The amount of cluelessness in this thread is downright amazing!!!!
Some of you seem to get your daily fix of information out of the NZ Herald.
Toatally agree man. You people are all sounding totally brain washed by the anti-drug brigade. There are many many people who take party pills (and illegal drugs for that matter) who do not rob people or use violence or drive under the influince.
Drugs to not ruin lives, stupid laws that make them a crime and push them underground thus inflating the cost to buy them is what ruins lives. The war on drugs was lost many years a go.
I have no doubt at all that we will see a rise in the use of illegal atternatives when BZP is banned. Therefore I hope some good viable alternate party pills are created to fill the gap before that happens. If the thousands who use party pills now change to P then we are all in a whole mess of trouble.
I guess by herbal you were looking for something a bit stronger than ginseng? Well most of the substance (herbal or not) that are now illegal have become that way through proven harm to both the user and society. Legal drugs like alcohol, tobacco, caffeine are all susceptible to abuse and addiction just like any form of entertainment, chocolate etc. Moderation is the key. When medications have conflicts then one has to be extra careful, so BZP and alcohol do not mix and possibly one factor influencing the whole issue.
Not sure why party pills are so serious they need to be banned, but while we are at it lets make it illegal to drink red wine and beer in the same evening and launch a new enforcement agency to punish people for bad fashion sense.