Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 | 4
dejadeadnz
2394 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #1643510 30-Sep-2016 20:45
Send private message

MikeB4:

 

I am from a family with a very long military history and the overwhelming view is conscription is never successful. You wind up with the majority of recruits not wanting to be there and achieve nothing.  Unless there is a conflict or imminent conflict it is a waste of money and time.

 

 

Not only that - when you put a bunch of unwilling young men together into this kind of adrenalin-filled environment full of violence, guns and that kind of thing, the potential consequences are deadly.

 

 

 

 


Affiliate link
 
 
 

Affiliate link: NordVPN allows you to securely access the Internet, encrypt your connection and keep your browsing history private.
oxnsox
1923 posts

Uber Geek


  #1643526 30-Sep-2016 21:23
Send private message

The risk to Sweeden of being in the vicinity of conflict is far greater than the risk to NZ.
Given the different risks/threats there's likely a very different public mindset around the requirement/need/acceptance of conscription in whatever form that takes.

Given the differences we're not really in a position to say what works or not for other countries.

gzt

gzt
13715 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #1643527 30-Sep-2016 21:30
Send private message

Hammerer:

MikeB4:


I do not believe that Russia is a threat to greater Europe. They are just posturing in the same manner as the US is, childish games. 



I believe that Russia is a threat because it scores highly on many risk factors such as:



  • authoritarian regime with totalitarian tendencies

  • increasing state control of media

  • increasing limitation of human rights

  • election rigging and elimination of political opponents by legal and illegal means

  • a recent record of military intervention (e.g. Ukraine, Syria)

  • a national narrative that emphasises power and recovery of past empire

  • etc.


Your current dose of RT appears to be largely ineffective. ; ).



Geektastic

16801 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1643584 1-Oct-2016 00:34
Send private message

oxnsox: The risk to Sweeden of being in the vicinity of conflict is far greater than the risk to NZ.
Given the different risks/threats there's likely a very different public mindset around the requirement/need/acceptance of conscription in whatever form that takes.

Given the differences we're not really in a position to say what works or not for other countries.

 

 

 

This is true. I grew up with the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain just a few hundred miles away, had friends and relatives stationed in Germany as part of the BAOR and so on. My view of Europe's geopolitics is quite different from that of people for whom the Berlin Wall may as well be Hadrian's Wall. I would not trust the Russkies or the Baltic States as far as I could throw them with my hands tied behind my back. Sweden will not regret this and places like Britain that have allowed themselves to be disarmed by foolish politicians who have allowed accountants to dictate military spending instead of soldiers had best get their acts together fairly quickly IMV.

 

Likewise my view of terrorism is coloured compared to a lot of New Zealanders, as I grew up amidst the PIRA mainland bombings of the 70's and 80's, had friends and relatives serving in Northern Ireland etc.






elpenguino
2510 posts

Uber Geek

Subscriber

  #1643866 1-Oct-2016 15:08
Send private message

You can't mention the IRA and terrorism in the same sentence. Reasons:

The British government doesn't negotiate with terrorists and we know they negotiated with the IRA.

The IRA won which means they were ' freedom fighters ' .




Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21


frankv
5111 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #1643881 1-Oct-2016 15:50
Send private message

elpenguino: You can't mention the IRA and terrorism in the same sentence.

 

Perhaps he means the terrorism inflicted on the irish by the British Govt?

 

 


robcreid
242 posts

Master Geek


  #1643892 1-Oct-2016 16:39
Send private message

elpenguino: You can't mention the IRA and terrorism in the same sentence.
 

 

You just did.

The British government doesn't negotiate with terrorists and we know they negotiated with the IRA.
 

 

The British government negotiated with Sinn Féin didn't they rather than directly with the PIRA? 

The IRA won which means they were ' freedom fighters ' .

 

Their goal was to "remove Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom and to bring about an independent republic encompassing all of Ireland" Neither of those things have happened.

 

 




Geektastic

16801 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1643896 1-Oct-2016 17:06
Send private message

frankv:

elpenguino: You can't mention the IRA and terrorism in the same sentence.


Perhaps he means the terrorism inflicted on the irish by the British Govt?


 



Really? That's the best you can come up with?






surfisup1000
5095 posts

Uber Geek


  #1643898 1-Oct-2016 17:21
Send private message

MikeB4:

 

I do not believe that Russia is a threat to greater Europe. They are just posturing in the same manner as the US is, childish games. 

 

 

 

 

I lived in finland for a while -- there was serious concern about russia invading at some point in the future. 

 

 


frankv
5111 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #1643912 1-Oct-2016 17:51
Send private message

Geektastic:
frankv:

 

elpenguino: You can't mention the IRA and terrorism in the same sentence.

 

Perhaps he means the terrorism inflicted on the irish by the British Govt?

 



Really? That's the best you can come up with?

 

No. But I don't have all day to sit around thinking up erudite and witty responses to your comments, so you'll just have to put up with an immediate off-the-cuff observation.

 

 


JimmyH
2738 posts

Uber Geek


  #1643926 1-Oct-2016 18:20
Send private message

MikeB4:

 

I do not believe that Russia is a threat to greater Europe. They are just posturing in the same manner as the US is, childish games. 

 

 

Many of the residents of the Crimea and the Eastern Ukraine might beg to differ?


Rikkitic
Awrrr
15608 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #1643929 1-Oct-2016 18:38
Send private message

Why do those traumatised by the past always seem to think that gives them special insight into the future?

 

 





Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

 


 


afe66
2920 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #1643935 1-Oct-2016 19:15
Send private message

Why do those who have never been traumatised think they know how the traumatised feel?

 

 

 

(we live in a very very sheltered country for which I am profoundly grateful. NZ is the first democracy I lived in after many years in countries with military dictatorships, death squads, starving children, surrounded by guards with large guns. As the song says in NZ "You dont know how lucky we are")


Rikkitic
Awrrr
15608 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #1643957 1-Oct-2016 20:14
Send private message

That is a fair point and I didn't mean to be glib. I was thinking more of the assumption that if conditions that led to something horrible in the past seem to be occurring again, that must inevitably lead to a repetition of the same horrible outcome, like history repeating itself. People who have experienced something like that may be very sensitive to something similar happening again, but that doesn't mean it will.

 

 





Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

 


 


Geektastic

16801 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1643986 1-Oct-2016 22:30
Send private message

frankv:

 

Geektastic:
frankv:

 

elpenguino: You can't mention the IRA and terrorism in the same sentence.

 

Perhaps he means the terrorism inflicted on the irish by the British Govt?

 



Really? That's the best you can come up with?

 

No. But I don't have all day to sit around thinking up erudite and witty responses to your comments, so you'll just have to put up with an immediate off-the-cuff observation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Last time I looked, terrorist atrocities was not really a subject commonly discussed in terms of "witty responses". I'm sure the relatives of the 1,800 or so civilians murdered by the PIRA rarely find much opportunity for wit when discussing it, that's for sure.






1 | 2 | 3 | 4
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic





News and reviews »

Samsung Introducing Galaxy Z Flip4 and Galaxy Z Fold4
Posted 11-Aug-2022 01:00


Samsung Unveils Health Innovations with Galaxy Watch5 and Galaxy Watch5 Pro
Posted 11-Aug-2022 01:00


Google Bringing First Cloud Region to Aotearoa New Zealand
Posted 10-Aug-2022 08:51


ANZ To Move to FIS Modern Banking Platform
Posted 10-Aug-2022 08:28


GoPro Hero10 Black Review
Posted 8-Aug-2022 17:41


Amazon to Acquire iRobot
Posted 6-Aug-2022 11:41


Samsung x LIFE Picture Collection Brings Iconic Moments in History to The Frame
Posted 4-Aug-2022 17:04


Norton Consumer Cyber Safety Pulse Report: Phishing for New Bait on Social Media
Posted 4-Aug-2022 16:50


Microsoft Announces New Solutions for Threat Intelligence and Attack Surface Management
Posted 3-Aug-2022 21:54


Seagate Addresses Hyperscale Workloads with Enterprise-Class Nytro SSDs
Posted 3-Aug-2022 21:50


Visa Launching Eco-friendly Payment Solutions in New Zealand
Posted 3-Aug-2022 21:48


NCR Delivers Services to Run Bank of New Zealand ATM Network
Posted 30-Jul-2022 11:06


New HP Portfolio Supports New Era of Hybrid Work
Posted 28-Jul-2022 17:14


Harman Kardon Launches Citation MultiBeam 1100 Soundbar
Posted 28-Jul-2022 17:10


Nanogirl Labs Launches Creator Project
Posted 28-Jul-2022 17:05









Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.







Backblaze unlimited backup