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  Reply # 1644731 3-Oct-2016 14:18
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I have always strongly felt that dress codes are demeaning nonsense, like the idiotic obsession with stamping children into identical school uniforms. I detest this practice. I have always felt that people who worry about appearances do so because they lack the brain power to deal with more serious matters.

 

At the same time, I also think there are minimum standards that must be adhered to. I hate bad manners and poor taste. My dress code is clean and tidy, nothing else. What people wear says nothing about who they are, only who they are trying to pretend to be. 

 

 

I can't tell you how much I detest the school uniform thing. It is almost as if we are teaching our kids to judge others based on their appearance. Personally I hate wearing suits and ties, give me comfort over having to try and appeal to someone else's sense of appropriateness and split second judgement based on appearance any day of the week. The whole obsession with appearance is to me like the obsession with celebrity's personal lives. Superficial and annoying.

 

 

 

 

I hate to break it to you but it's done for CONVENIENCE and cost. 

 

I'd prefer my kids were in uniform, they are easily identified, the cost is relatively low, and it avoids peer pressure due to some parents being unable to afford the latest clothing. It also saves hassle on picking clothing etc for kids or having them do it themselves. 


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  Reply # 1644733 3-Oct-2016 14:23
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The only "suit" I need...

 

 

 

(and yes, I have worn it to work!)

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1644734 3-Oct-2016 14:24
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I've worked in a place with a gender neutral written dress code. We had a conservative clientèle and therefore corporate image.  Worded as minimum requirements that applied to all garments regardless of who the wearer was. For example: -

 

Top: Collar, half or full sleeves, non sheer fabric, full coverage of torso to collar-bone or higher, no visible undergarments; jacket optional.

 

Prohibited: Visible piercings, except a maximum of one earring in each ear.

 

 



 





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  Reply # 1644735 3-Oct-2016 14:25
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As for ties, for me they are a ridiculous rag from the past that I would not enforce unless my management required me to enforce it. What is important here is "he who pays the piper calls the tune". If you do not agree with a set dress standard  leave or put forward a business case for change. 

 

 

 

 

I absolutely agree with this. At my first job in theory we were supposed to be suit-and-tie as that was dress code at the parent company. But like your team, we also crawled around equipment on customer premises (the parent company did not) so we politely pointed out that we would wear the suit and tie if they would replace them when they got damaged in the normal course of our jobs. And, like you, that immediately gave us the freedom to wear (decent) polo shirts and smart casual or tidy jeans.

 

If I worked somewhere where the dress code was a step up, I'd politely ask if could be loosened (because no reasonable person could be offended by a reasonable request) ... but if the answer was no, I'd get over it. As someone who values performance over appearance, I certainly can't complain about the dress code without being a bit hypocritical. If clothes don't matter to me, why should I care whether or not I have to wear a suit?

 

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  Reply # 1644739 3-Oct-2016 14:43
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The only "suit" I need...

 

 

 

(and yes, I have worn it to work!)

 

 

 

 

 

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My first full-time job after uni was a processing job for a govt agency; no face-to-face contact with any clients, but the organisation still had a requirement for men to wear ties. This while women were getting away with singlets.

 

I detest ties with a vengeance (as clearly many here do), and also get easily over-heated; on the basis of the latter but also in direct response to the former, I got a doctor's certificate that got me off wearing a tie. I repeated the same thing when I moved to Wgtn to work for the same govt agency - I think the deal there was I'd wear one when meeting people from other organisations.

 

Luckily where I work now (in the provinces) no-one's ever asked me to wear a tie, and it's unusual for anyone else to wear one; when I go to my employer's national office and see all the guys in their "finery" I thank my lucky stars!

 

[I recall getting into a debate at my initial employer regarding this: the code of conduct was very high-level, and no-where including in the code of conduct was it stated in writing that men were to wear ties. If one is required to wear a tie, it should state that quite clearly, otherwise it's down to an arbitrary determination as to whether someone meets the ambiguous standards.]


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deja vu...

 

Story: Moscow. Telco company. FIY: all Telcos in Moscow - suit and tie. I am in my office (suit, tie). One of my direct reports from the back office is calling from the outside - all in tears. What has happened was: the newly appointed HR himself (without any consultation) decided to introduce what he thought would be the right dress code for the business and did not let couple of girls in. I let them into the office and told HR that we pay girls for the "voice on the phone", they do not face our clients in person and I do not care what they wear as long as they all comfortable with each other in the back office. The same day I made suggestion to our GM to get rid of that HR. And we did.

 

At Discovery Channel in US no one was wearing a suit even top management - jeans and a shirt was a dress code.

 

In AT&T in Moscow and Holland everyone was wearing suits. Even the tables and chairs had to be of a certain colour scheme and I was waiting for my new desk to arrive from Holland to match the rest of the office :-) 

 

In a few Telcos in NZ it was suit, or no suit - situation dependant. I met some people who's manners and ability to talk to others matter more than what they wear - something special was in their voice. Or "geeks in shorts" capable of resolving network issues in minutes vs useless "gents in suits".

 

I met "men in suit" in Telco industry in NZ who were wearing suits and ties but that did not help them to add any value to the business. And I saw others (also managers and team leads) without suit and tie who actually made things happen.

 

I felt very uncomfortable few years ago coming to the job interview in suit and tie and having a video feed with GM in Wellington. He was wearing t-shirt! Did not get that job. Blame that suit :-) 

 

Before that interview I was coming to interviews in jeans and shirt, was hired as a manager and asked if I had a suit :-)

 

Resume: you decide what to wear... but if you call me for a job interview - I will come in jeans. If you are my client or wish to do business with me - don't bother dressing up, I will know more about you before you finish your first sentence...than your suit can tell...

 

P.S. same with cars - you may drive your very much expensive SUV but as soon as you open your mouth and I ask couple of questions....your choice of transportation (same as the dress code) will reveal if you are trying to impress or you just have to tow a boat as you are keen fisherman...


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  Reply # 1644775 3-Oct-2016 15:29
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Suit and tie becoming less and less common all the time. I've worked for big name international companies that 'officially' have a dress code of full business (jacket and tie), but even the CEO often doesn't comply unless there is a media event or client meeting.

 

And not that I have interviewed for a job in a while, but I find it really hard to sense what to wear to one. Conventional wisdom says dress conservatively (so tie and jacket), but for some companies I think that would be a turn off, they think you're too....conservative. Really hard to know.





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  Reply # 1644778 3-Oct-2016 15:38
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I decided to purchase a corporate wardrobe for the team such as Polo Shirts, Drill pants that had a discreet logo and name, [snip] . I only had a small number of non conformists that were dealt with individually as performance issues.

 

 

Jeezuz... have you nothing better to measure a worker's performance with than whether they'll wear your uniform or not?

 

 


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  Reply # 1644785 3-Oct-2016 16:00
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MikeB4:

 

I decided to purchase a corporate wardrobe for the team such as Polo Shirts, Drill pants that had a discreet logo and name, [snip] . I only had a small number of non conformists that were dealt with individually as performance issues.

 

 

Jeezuz... have you nothing better to measure a worker's performance with than whether they'll wear your uniform or not?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I do. The required dress standard for the rest of the organisation was far more rigid I could have just enforced that but I decided to do a business case to the CEO for a variation in the code for my teams, and to have the wardrobe paid for. This was was approved with a caveat that I fund it out of my current  capex budget. This is did after spend many days and nights rejigging my budget to accommodate the purchase of the attire for my staff. I know I was such a tyrant for paying over $1,000 per staff annually for their work attire, and such a b*******d to go to the effort to do a business case get approval and spend many hours of my own time facilitating this. 





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  Reply # 1644789 3-Oct-2016 16:10
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RUKI:

 

 

 

P.S. same with cars - you may drive your very much expensive SUV but as soon as you open your mouth and I ask couple of questions....your choice of transportation (same as the dress code) will reveal if you are trying to impress or you just have to tow a boat as you are keen fisherman...

 

 

 

 

Hey, that's not fair! We have 2 BMWs now.

 

A 21yo 740iL and a 13yo X5 diesel (for towing).

 

 

 

I'm not trying to impress anyone... I just like fixing things money-mouth

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Unless it's required for safety reasons or a store front, I can't see why anything like a branded shirt would be a requirement. 

 

 

 

 

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Sorry, I wouldn't work there. One thing is to say "Here, you have a $1000 allowance and you can use it to buy a couple of new suits" and another is "Here are five new polo shirts with our logo"

 

 





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Sorry, I wouldn't work there. One thing is to say "Here, you have a $1000 allowance and you can use it to buy a couple of new suits" and another is "Here are five new polo shirts with our logo"

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is your choice and that's fine.

 

The staff thought it was fantastic. If they tore the clothes or dumped toner on or what ever it was replaced for them, but yeah I know I was terrible for doing that.

 

The alternative was they purchased their own business shirts, ties, etc etc 





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