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  Reply # 1720410 15-Feb-2017 09:12 Send private message quote this post

MikeB4: Compulsory voting in my view breeches one of the foundations of a free society.

 

I can see that. However, there should also be zero chatter about who only got 25% of the vote.


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  Reply # 1720412 15-Feb-2017 09:18 Send private message quote this post

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MikeB4: Compulsory voting in my view breeches one of the foundations of a free society.

 

I can see that. However, there should also be zero chatter about who only got 25% of the vote.

 

 

 

 

That is also a foundation of a free society. If I were in the USA and faced with either voting for Clinton or Trump I would have exercised with right and abstained from voting. That does not remove my right to express an opinion on the final selection.





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  Reply # 1720444 15-Feb-2017 10:28 One person supports this post Send private message quote this post

MikeB4:

 

tdgeek:

 

MikeB4: Compulsory voting in my view breeches one of the foundations of a free society.

 

I can see that. However, there should also be zero chatter about who only got 25% of the vote.

 

 

 

 

That is also a foundation of a free society. If I were in the USA and faced with either voting for Clinton or Trump I would have exercised with right and abstained from voting. That does not remove my right to express an opinion on the final selection.

 

 

 

 

Agreed; however it inevitably leads to your opinion being given less weight I suspect.

 

Theoretically I guess that if everyone abstained and no votes were cast, the parties would have to field alternative candidates. However, of course, that would never happen as at least one person would vote - so if one of the two candidates got the single vote that was cast, they would still have won the election....!






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  Reply # 1720452 15-Feb-2017 10:51 One person supports this post Send private message quote this post

MikeB4:

 

If I were in the USA and faced with either voting for Clinton or Trump I would have exercised with right and abstained from voting.

 

 

And that reasoning is probably why Trump won. They were both terrible candidates, but one was clearly worse than the other. I firmly believe that if those who didn't vote had chosen to go along and vote for the "lesser of two evils", Trump would not have one.


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  Reply # 1720453 15-Feb-2017 10:55 2 people support this post Send private message quote this post

Paul1977:

 

MikeB4:

 

If I were in the USA and faced with either voting for Clinton or Trump I would have exercised with right and abstained from voting.

 

 

And that reasoning is probably why Trump won. They were both terrible candidates, but one was clearly worse than the other. I firmly believe that if those who didn't vote had chosen to go along and vote for the "lesser of two evils", Trump would not have one.

 

 

 

 

I disagree with voting for the lesser of two evils. I have on occasion not cast a candidate vote in the General election as I did not like any of the candidates, it did however cast party votes. Abstaining is a legitimate voting choice.





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  Reply # 1720471 15-Feb-2017 11:09 One person supports this post Send private message quote this post

MikeB4:

 

Paul1977:

 

MikeB4:

 

If I were in the USA and faced with either voting for Clinton or Trump I would have exercised with right and abstained from voting.

 

 

And that reasoning is probably why Trump won. They were both terrible candidates, but one was clearly worse than the other. I firmly believe that if those who didn't vote had chosen to go along and vote for the "lesser of two evils", Trump would not have one.

 

 

I disagree with voting for the lesser of two evils. I have on occasion not cast a candidate vote in the General election as I did not like any of the candidates, it did however cast party votes. Abstaining is a legitimate voting choice.

 

 

It is a valid choice, and like you I generally only cast a party vote - mainly because it seems to me the local representative doesn't seem to do much of anything regardless of who it is.

 

However, I think this is quite an unusual case. I mean... Donald J. Trump? This is one instance where one candidate was so awful that I would have been compelled to vote against him.

 

But regardless of whether abstaining is a valid choice or not, I still maintain that Trump would not have won if the non-voters had turned out and voted for who the felt was the "lesser of the two evils".


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  Reply # 1720475 15-Feb-2017 11:15 Send private message quote this post

Paul1977:

 

 

 

It is a valid choice, and like you I generally only cast a party vote - mainly because it seems to me the local representative doesn't seem to do much of anything regardless of who it is.

 

However, I think this is quite an unusual case. I mean... Donald J. Trump? This is one instance where one candidate was so awful that I would have been compelled to vote against him.

 

But regardless of whether abstaining is a valid choice or not, I still maintain that Trump would not have won if the non-voters had turned out and voted for who the felt was the "lesser of the two evils".

 

 

 

 

A better electoral choice for Americans I feel was their feet and the Canadian border.





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  Reply # 1720499 15-Feb-2017 11:22 Send private message quote this post

Apparently many refugees who originally chose America are now illegally crossing into Canada, sometimes at great risk to their lives.

 

 





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  Reply # 1720511 15-Feb-2017 11:44 Send private message quote this post

Rikkitic:

 

Apparently many refugees who originally chose America are now illegally crossing into Canada, sometimes at great risk to their lives.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From bears? Surely not from Canadians.






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  Reply # 1720514 15-Feb-2017 11:46 Send private message quote this post

Geektastic:

 

Rikkitic:

 

Apparently many refugees who originally chose America are now illegally crossing into Canada, sometimes at great risk to their lives.

 

 

From bears? Surely not from Canadians.

 

 

Shoot first, apologize later?


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  Reply # 1720545 15-Feb-2017 11:54 Send private message quote this post

From ice and snow, apparently. It is not an easy crossing since they have to avoid populated areas. The Canadians seem to be accepting them with far more generosity than the Americans have.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1720561 15-Feb-2017 12:03 One person supports this post Send private message quote this post

Rikkitic:

 

From ice and snow, apparently. It is not an easy crossing since they have to avoid populated areas. The Canadians seem to be accepting them with far more generosity than the Americans have.

 

 

 

Bigger fool them for ignoring the lessons of France, Belgium, Sweden and Germany etc.





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  Reply # 1720566 15-Feb-2017 12:07 Send private message quote this post

Canadian newspaper the Toronto Star has an ongoing list of Trump falsehoods:
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/02/03/daniel-dales-donald-trump-fact-check-updates.html

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JayADee: Canadian newspaper the Toronto Star has an ongoing list of Trump falsehoods:
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/02/03/daniel-dales-donald-trump-fact-check-updates.html

 

 

It's 4 or 5 days out-of-date. Maybe they can't keep up with the pace of his spouting of alternative facts?


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  Reply # 1721050 16-Feb-2017 10:23 One person supports this post Send private message quote this post

Another one bites the dust. Even the American taste for junk food has its limits:

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politics/top-senate-republicans-urge-white-house-to-withdraw-puzder-nomination/index.html?adkey=bn

 

 





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