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  Reply # 1721776 17-Feb-2017 12:30
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

Wrong, psychological conditions are complex a diagnosis cannot be made watching TV or reading press releases. I had a long discussion with my son( a Psychologist) about this and he agrees. These golf making these diagnoses  are grand standing. A diagnosis is done over several in depth sessions with the individual over a period of time with followup review to confirm etc.

 

 

I often get the feeling we talk past each other when debating an issue. No diagnosis is being made here. The good doctor is not saying what, if anything, is wrong with Trump (other than him being a dickhead). He is not making a diagnosis. He is simply ruling out a diagnosis on the basis of Trump's public statements and behaviour. 

 

Look at it this way: A plane crashes. On the way down, the pilot can be seen to be making desperate manoeuvres to regain control. An aviation expert says, I don't know what went wrong, but I can rule out pilot suicide.

 

If Trump does and says things that someone suffering from pathological narcissism would never do or say, then you can safely conclude that whatever may be wrong with him, it isn't that. You don't need to do a full diagnosis of someone to rule something out. You do need a full diagnosis to rule something in, but that is not what is happening here.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1721800 17-Feb-2017 12:50
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Rikkitic:

 

MikeB4:

 

Wrong, psychological conditions are complex a diagnosis cannot be made watching TV or reading press releases. I had a long discussion with my son( a Psychologist) about this and he agrees. These golf making these diagnoses  are grand standing. A diagnosis is done over several in depth sessions with the individual over a period of time with followup review to confirm etc.

 

 

I often get the feeling we talk past each other when debating an issue. No diagnosis is being made here. The good doctor is not saying what, if anything, is wrong with Trump (other than him being a dickhead). He is not making a diagnosis. He is simply ruling out a diagnosis on the basis of Trump's public statements and behaviour. 

 

Look at it this way: A plane crashes. On the way down, the pilot can be seen to be making desperate manoeuvres to regain control. An aviation expert says, I don't know what went wrong, but I can rule out pilot suicide.

 

If Trump does and says things that someone suffering from pathological narcissism would never do or say, then you can safely conclude that whatever may be wrong with him, it isn't that. You don't need to do a full diagnosis of someone to rule something out. You do need a full diagnosis to rule something in, but that is not what is happening here.

 

 

There are several conditions in which this is not the case. Often ruling something out is just as difficult. Sociopaths, for example, will often fake empathy etc.

 

EDIT: You argument is valid for many conditions, but not all. We can be sure Trump doesn't have Tourette Syndrome... although...

 

EDIT 2: removed comment that upon re-reading sounded condescending (which was not intended).


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1721821 17-Feb-2017 13:15
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tdgeek:

 

He is running the White House as he runs his business, its not a mental health issue. His manner, attitude, aggression, is normal for him and its normal for many others. His issue is that he does not feel the need to give the position and the responsibility the respect it deserves. Thats happens to be his attitude. Its not appropriate but its not abnormal either

 

 

 

 

It is abnormal for a president to act in this manner.

 

The more he attacks the press the more they will dig up truths.

 

 

If he isnt mentally impaired, his attitudes are his attitudes. Yes, you expect more, but we saw him on the campaign trail, its not abnormal for him, and he was voted in.


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  Reply # 1721823 17-Feb-2017 13:18
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Ok - I tried to read his recent transcript...

 

My head hurts...

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/donald-trump-news-conference-transcript/index.html

 

 






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  Reply # 1721842 17-Feb-2017 14:04
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Ok - I tried to read his recent transcript...


My head hurts...


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/donald-trump-news-conference-transcript/index.html


 



That was painful to read.

I'd suggest a drinking game, when Trump says certain phrases, but you'd be comatose within 5 minutes.

* tremendous
* fantastic
* just absolutely
* incredible
* honestly

Starting badly, he lied about his poll numbers. His poll numbers from the latest Gallup poll is 42%, not 55%.

a new Rasmussen poll just came out just a very short while ago, and it has our approval rating at 55 percent and going up.


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  Reply # 1721845 17-Feb-2017 14:15
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Jake Trapper summed it up nicely: 'Mr Trump you're the president. You legitimately won the presidency. Now get to work and stop whining about it!'

 

 





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  Reply # 1721851 17-Feb-2017 14:21
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Rikkitic:

 

MikeB4:

 

 

 

Wrong, psychological conditions are complex a diagnosis cannot be made watching TV or reading press releases. I had a long discussion with my son( a Psychologist) about this and he agrees. These golf making these diagnoses  are grand standing. A diagnosis is done over several in depth sessions with the individual over a period of time with followup review to confirm etc.

 

 

I often get the feeling we talk past each other when debating an issue. No diagnosis is being made here. The good doctor is not saying what, if anything, is wrong with Trump (other than him being a dickhead). He is not making a diagnosis. He is simply ruling out a diagnosis on the basis of Trump's public statements and behaviour. 

 

Look at it this way: A plane crashes. On the way down, the pilot can be seen to be making desperate manoeuvres to regain control. An aviation expert says, I don't know what went wrong, but I can rule out pilot suicide.

 

If Trump does and says things that someone suffering from pathological narcissism would never do or say, then you can safely conclude that whatever may be wrong with him, it isn't that. You don't need to do a full diagnosis of someone to rule something out. You do need a full diagnosis to rule something in, but that is not what is happening here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wrong, one cannot make a diagnosis either way without one on one consultation and assessment.





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  Reply # 1721852 17-Feb-2017 14:23
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kingdragonfly:
nakedmolerat:

 

Ok - I tried to read his recent transcript...

 

 

 

My head hurts...

 

 

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/donald-trump-news-conference-transcript/index.html

 

 

 

 

 



That was painful to read.

I'd suggest a drinking game, when Trump says certain phrases, but you'd be comatose within 5 minutes.

* tremendous
* fantastic
* just absolutely
* incredible
* honestly

Starting badly, he lied about his poll numbers. His poll numbers from the latest Gallup poll is 42%, not 55%.

a new Rasmussen poll just came out just a very short while ago, and it has our approval rating at 55 percent and going up.


Gallup: Americans See US World Standing as Worst in a Decade

 

 

 

You forgot Bigly   aka Big League  


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  Reply # 1721855 17-Feb-2017 14:28
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tdgeek:

 

kingdragonfly:
nakedmolerat:

 

Ok - I tried to read his recent transcript...

 

 

 

My head hurts...

 

 

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/donald-trump-news-conference-transcript/index.html

 

 

 

 

 



That was painful to read.

I'd suggest a drinking game, when Trump says certain phrases, but you'd be comatose within 5 minutes.

* tremendous
* fantastic
* just absolutely
* incredible
* honestly

Starting badly, he lied about his poll numbers. His poll numbers from the latest Gallup poll is 42%, not 55%.

a new Rasmussen poll just came out just a very short while ago, and it has our approval rating at 55 percent and going up.


Gallup: Americans See US World Standing as Worst in a Decade

 

 

 

You forgot Bigly   aka Big League  

 

 

Mr Trump is correct about the Rasmussen Poll

 

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 55% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-five percent (45%) disapprove."

 

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_feb16

 

 





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  Reply # 1721862 17-Feb-2017 15:05
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Just watched the whole press conference, he is his own worst enemy.

 

He is correct that the majority of the media is biased against him, but instead of pointing it out in a coherent and reasonable way he just goes on and on about how dishonest they supposedly are.

 

 


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  Reply # 1721866 17-Feb-2017 15:09
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

Wrong, one cannot make a diagnosis either way without one on one consultation and assessment.

 

 

I think sometimes you can form a valid opinion about something without necessarily having to be a qualified expert. If your car makes noises like someone attacking sheet metal with a chainsaw, you don’t have to be a mechanic to conclude that there is probably something wrong with the engine.

 

If someone tells you he thinks he smells smoke, and it might be prudent to leave the building, are you going to wait for a qualified fire chief to give you permission?

 

 





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  Reply # 1721867 17-Feb-2017 15:12
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

Mr Trump is correct about the Rasmussen Poll

 

 

 

 

My Trump picks and chooses whatever supports his preconceptions. The Rasmussen Poll is known to have a strong right-wing bias. 

 

 





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  Reply # 1721884 17-Feb-2017 15:31
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Rikkitic:

 

MikeB4:

 

 Wrong, one cannot make a diagnosis either way without one on one consultation and assessment.

 

 

I think sometimes you can form a valid opinion about something without necessarily having to be a qualified expert. If your car makes noises like someone attacking sheet metal with a chainsaw, you don’t have to be a mechanic to conclude that there is probably something wrong with the engine.

 

If someone tells you he thinks he smells smoke, and it might be prudent to leave the building, are you going to wait for a qualified fire chief to give you permission?

 

 

If several psychiatrists and psychologists tell you the leader of the free world may have a mental disorder, and it might be prudent for him not to be in charge of a nuclear arsenal...

 

EDIT: I am not asserting that Trump does, or doesn't, have a mental disorder. Just pointing out your augment can be used both ways.


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  Reply # 1721887 17-Feb-2017 15:39
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I'm not quite sure where this discussion is going. I think it is safe to say that a fair number of people have reservations about Mr Trump's leadership capabilities, at least where the presidency of the United States is concerned. I think it can also be said that most contributers to this forum probably agree that America could have made a better choice. 

 

 





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  Reply # 1721888 17-Feb-2017 15:44
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Rikkitic:

 

... I think it can also be said that most contributers to this forum probably agree that America could have made a better choice. 

 

 

 





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