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hmm i can't post - proxy needed or something


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hmm i can post! weird


 
 
 
 


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Re Fred 99

 

Let me make a prediction. Trump won't quit even if it hits 0%. In fact these are the likely things that will happen if his approval rating drops

 

- fake news

 

- fake pollls

 

- fake sources

 

- all made up

 

- last resort: ban the media and lock up the internet [not saying a judge won't overturn that, but he's known to come up with rather creative executive orders]

 

- if that fails, blame Obama

 

 

 

Edit: hey if only I knew how to make memes! I could be famous! although i never know the authors of memes when they reach my facebook ....


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  Reply # 1744309 20-Mar-2017 10:41
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Re Fred 99

 

Let me make a prediction. Trump won't quit even if it hits 0%. In fact these are the likely things that will happen if his approval rating drops

 

- fake news

 

- fake pollls

 

- fake sources

 

- all made up

 

- last resort: ban the media and lock up the internet [not saying a judge won't overturn that, but he's known to come up with rather creative executive orders]

 

- if that fails, blame Obama

 

 

 

Edit: hey if only I knew how to make memes! I could be famous! although i never know the authors of memes when they reach my facebook ....

 

 

 

 

Why would he quit? he was legitimately elected under the current and well known (to Americans at least) electoral system in the US. The next time he is required to test his approval as President is November 3, 2020.





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joker97:

 

 

 

Edit: hey if only I knew how to make memes! I could be famous! although i never know the authors of memes when they reach my facebook ....

 

 

Meme of the day - my guess is "the honest republican".

 

I'm sure that there'll be opposite opinions "filthy unshaven liberal hipster buys trump hat, army pants, and placard to spread fake news"

 


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  Reply # 1744365 20-Mar-2017 11:13
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MikeB4: 

 

Why would he quit? he was legitimately elected under the current and well known (to Americans at least) electoral system in the US. The next time he is required to test his approval as President is November 3, 2020.

 

 

He won't ever "quit" IMO - it's not in his nature.  He'll need to be impeached, there's probably enough to start impeachment over foreign emoluments. "... no person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States], shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office or Title of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.”

 

There's also legal opinion that Trump's accusation of criminal behaviour by Obama (wire tapping claim) for which there is no evidence is "serious misconduct". Making allegations of criminality against any person *without evidence* is regarded as being serious misconduct if carried out by any government official, the highest official of the executive branch is not (or at least should not) be exempt.  Especially so if it sets precedent for a POTUS to subvert democracy by calling opponents criminals - without having to prove it.

 

That said, it probably won't happen unless either the republicans lose control of the house (possible in 2018) or the damning proof against him eventually becomes undeniable (as happened to Nixon). 

 

 


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  Reply # 1744377 20-Mar-2017 11:23
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My understanding is that to impeach there has to be a majority vote in the Capital for this to proceed. This will require a good number of Republican Representatives to "cross the floor", this currently would be doubtful. However if enough Republicans believe that they will get savaged in the 2018 House elections then they may well push the issue but I doubt that would be this year.





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  Reply # 1744403 20-Mar-2017 12:06
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joker97:

hmm i can post! weird



You can obviously post. What are you trying to post is what could be the problem.




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freitasm:
joker97:

 

hmm i can post! weird

 



You can obviously post. What are you trying to post is what could be the problem.

 

 

 

I quoted a post the other day and the comment box was then filled with a bazillion items of random letters and numbers instead of the table that the other person had inserted that I was quoting.

 

What's that all about?!






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  Reply # 1744495 20-Mar-2017 13:24
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Fred99:

 

frankv:

 

joker97:

 

on the news the other day, Apple's NZ tax payment for 2016 was $0.00000

 

 

Prezactly. My feeling is that if Apple pays no tax in NZ, they should get no benefit from the things that taxes provide. Like police protecting their stores, Customs processing their goods, courts protecting their IP, etc.

 

 

So NZ should pay tax in the US for selling burger beef, in the UK for selling lamb, and in China for selling milk powder?

 

IMO the "problem" - if there is one - is that Apple tend to not pay much tax at all - anywhere. On that basis, the most ripped-off of all is probably California.

 

 

You seem to have misconstrued Apple as a country.

 

So my answer is No... it is the *company* that is selling NZ beef in the US that should pay tax on their profits in the US.

 

I agree again... yes, the problem is that Apple has set themselves up to not pay any tax anywhere, except Ireland where they pay minimal tax.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1744503 20-Mar-2017 13:38
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tdgeek:

 

I think Apple is an Irish company! Thats where they are corporate based and their dosh sits there or from there IIRC. They reckon they do oay their fair share of tax, bit maybe not to the US. And I assume the US tax laws make offshoring funds beneficial

 

 

Apple pays what tax it is legally obliged to pay. That is completely different from paying their fair share.

 

Apple has a deal with the Irish Govt... in return for building a factory in Ireland and employing a bunch of people, they would only pay tax on what is manufactured at that factory. Subsequently, they set up "Apple International", which is nominally headquartered in Ireland but whose board of directors has never actually met in Ireland. All other Apple companies pay sufficient fees to Apple International for "marketing" and "IP" and so on, so that those subsidiaries pay no tax. Apple International makes a huge profit, but pays no tax under the agreement with Ireland. Apple Ireland (running the factory), pays quite a lot of tax (relatively speaking).

 

 


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  Reply # 1744530 20-Mar-2017 14:10
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frankv:

 

tdgeek:

 

I think Apple is an Irish company! Thats where they are corporate based and their dosh sits there or from there IIRC. They reckon they do oay their fair share of tax, bit maybe not to the US. And I assume the US tax laws make offshoring funds beneficial

 

 

Apple pays what tax it is legally obliged to pay. That is completely different from paying their fair share.

 

Apple has a deal with the Irish Govt... in return for building a factory in Ireland and employing a bunch of people, they would only pay tax on what is manufactured at that factory. Subsequently, they set up "Apple International", which is nominally headquartered in Ireland but whose board of directors has never actually met in Ireland. All other Apple companies pay sufficient fees to Apple International for "marketing" and "IP" and so on, so that those subsidiaries pay no tax. Apple International makes a huge profit, but pays no tax under the agreement with Ireland. Apple Ireland (running the factory), pays quite a lot of tax (relatively speaking).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is a copy of an open letter I put on my Facebook page

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Apple.
I applaud you on many of your moral stances, equal rights for LGBT, your anti-racial discrimination , your push to remove child labour in 3rd world countries as well as your green initiatives. All these are highly commendable.

 

However, there is someone else who deserves that same treatment, the tax payer. It turns out that although you have done close on $5 Billion worth of business over the last decade in New Zealand, you have paid $0.00 in tax.

 

 

You have benefitted from NZs stable economy, our rule of law, our education system, our health system, our infrastructure, but you have contributed nothing back, and that SUCKS.

 

I know all that bulls!t about Apple paying every $ its legally obligated to, but what about your moral obligations ?

 

Do you really believe that you have less obligation than an elderly person working a few hours a week, a handicapped person who holds down a part time job, or someone in chronic pain waiting for an operation, yet goes to work every day while they wait. Because these people all pay MORE tax than you do. They contribute back to the country that benefits them. Despite their difficulties in life they contribute back via taxes to make other people, just like them, have slightly better lives.

 

Can you claim that ?, no, because you paid $0 the maximum you "legally" had to. Slavery was once legal too in the USA, that did not make it right though did it. Morals outweighed laws.

 

You can quote all the bulls!t you like about how much tax you pay elsewhere, you can manipulate poor tax laws as much as you like, you however have lost all moral high ground here in New Zealand. Claiming that "everyone else does it too" is the claim of a coward who tries to justify their behaviour not on and of its self, but based on the low standards of others. Apple can do much much better than this, well that's what I used to believe.

 

I can only do one thing, vote with my wallet. I have bought a LOT of Apple products over the years (starting with a Mac 512KE), but I can no longer do this.

 

My next computer is going to be a Linux computer, my next phone Android , I already have an Android based set to box for streaming from Netflix to complement my Apple TVs.

 

Apple will slowly be replaced in my household, item by item, until you are no longer part of our lives.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  Reply # 1744565 20-Mar-2017 15:21
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sir1963:

 

frankv:

 

tdgeek:

 

I think Apple is an Irish company! Thats where they are corporate based and their dosh sits there or from there IIRC. They reckon they do oay their fair share of tax, bit maybe not to the US. And I assume the US tax laws make offshoring funds beneficial

 

 

Apple pays what tax it is legally obliged to pay. That is completely different from paying their fair share.

 

Apple has a deal with the Irish Govt... in return for building a factory in Ireland and employing a bunch of people, they would only pay tax on what is manufactured at that factory. Subsequently, they set up "Apple International", which is nominally headquartered in Ireland but whose board of directors has never actually met in Ireland. All other Apple companies pay sufficient fees to Apple International for "marketing" and "IP" and so on, so that those subsidiaries pay no tax. Apple International makes a huge profit, but pays no tax under the agreement with Ireland. Apple Ireland (running the factory), pays quite a lot of tax (relatively speaking).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is a copy of an open letter I put on my Facebook page

 

 

 

Dear Apple.
I applaud you on many of your moral stances, equal rights for LGBT, your anti-racial discrimination , your push to remove child labour in 3rd world countries as well as your green initiatives. All these are highly commendable.

 

However, there is someone else who deserves that same treatment, the tax payer. It turns out that although you have done close on $5 Billion worth of business over the last decade in New Zealand, you have paid $0.00 in tax.

 

You have benefitted from NZs stable economy, our rule of law, our education system, our health system, our infrastructure, but you have contributed nothing back, and that SUCKS.

 

I know all that bulls!t about Apple paying every $ its legally obligated to, but what about your moral obligations ?

 

Do you really believe that you have less obligation than an elderly person working a few hours a week, a handicapped person who holds down a part time job, or someone in chronic pain waiting for an operation, yet goes to work every day while they wait. Because these people all pay MORE tax than you do. They contribute back to the country that benefits them. Despite their difficulties in life they contribute back via taxes to make other people, just like them, have slightly better lives.

 

Can you claim that ?, no, because you paid $0 the maximum you "legally" had to. Slavery was once legal too in the USA, that did not make it right though did it. Morals outweighed laws.

 

You can quote all the bulls!t you like about how much tax you pay elsewhere, you can manipulate poor tax laws as much as you like, you however have lost all moral high ground here in New Zealand. Claiming that "everyone else does it too" is the claim of a coward who tries to justify their behaviour not on and of its self, but based on the low standards of others. Apple can do much much better than this, well that's what I used to believe.

 

I can only do one thing, vote with my wallet. I have bought a LOT of Apple products over the years (starting with a Mac 512KE), but I can no longer do this.

 

My next computer is going to be a Linux computer, my next phone Android , I already have an Android based set to box for streaming from Netflix to complement my Apple TVs.

 

Apple will slowly be replaced in my household, item by item, until you are no longer part of our lives.

 

     

 

 

 

you are addressing the wrong party. If Apple has paid in NZ all the tax that NZ law requires of it then it is the Government you need to lobby. If a company over pays what it is legally required to do the amount overpaid becomes a debt owed by the Crown to that company and will be refunded.





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 It's our only home, lets clean it up then...

 

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  Reply # 1744570 20-Mar-2017 15:35
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MikeB4:

 

sir1963:

 

frankv:

 

tdgeek:

 

I think Apple is an Irish company! Thats where they are corporate based and their dosh sits there or from there IIRC. They reckon they do oay their fair share of tax, bit maybe not to the US. And I assume the US tax laws make offshoring funds beneficial

 

 

Apple pays what tax it is legally obliged to pay. That is completely different from paying their fair share.

 

Apple has a deal with the Irish Govt... in return for building a factory in Ireland and employing a bunch of people, they would only pay tax on what is manufactured at that factory. Subsequently, they set up "Apple International", which is nominally headquartered in Ireland but whose board of directors has never actually met in Ireland. All other Apple companies pay sufficient fees to Apple International for "marketing" and "IP" and so on, so that those subsidiaries pay no tax. Apple International makes a huge profit, but pays no tax under the agreement with Ireland. Apple Ireland (running the factory), pays quite a lot of tax (relatively speaking).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is a copy of an open letter I put on my Facebook page

 

 

 

Dear Apple.
I applaud you on many of your moral stances, equal rights for LGBT, your anti-racial discrimination , your push to remove child labour in 3rd world countries as well as your green initiatives. All these are highly commendable.

 

However, there is someone else who deserves that same treatment, the tax payer. It turns out that although you have done close on $5 Billion worth of business over the last decade in New Zealand, you have paid $0.00 in tax.

 

You have benefitted from NZs stable economy, our rule of law, our education system, our health system, our infrastructure, but you have contributed nothing back, and that SUCKS.

 

I know all that bulls!t about Apple paying every $ its legally obligated to, but what about your moral obligations ?

 

Do you really believe that you have less obligation than an elderly person working a few hours a week, a handicapped person who holds down a part time job, or someone in chronic pain waiting for an operation, yet goes to work every day while they wait. Because these people all pay MORE tax than you do. They contribute back to the country that benefits them. Despite their difficulties in life they contribute back via taxes to make other people, just like them, have slightly better lives.

 

Can you claim that ?, no, because you paid $0 the maximum you "legally" had to. Slavery was once legal too in the USA, that did not make it right though did it. Morals outweighed laws.

 

You can quote all the bulls!t you like about how much tax you pay elsewhere, you can manipulate poor tax laws as much as you like, you however have lost all moral high ground here in New Zealand. Claiming that "everyone else does it too" is the claim of a coward who tries to justify their behaviour not on and of its self, but based on the low standards of others. Apple can do much much better than this, well that's what I used to believe.

 

I can only do one thing, vote with my wallet. I have bought a LOT of Apple products over the years (starting with a Mac 512KE), but I can no longer do this.

 

My next computer is going to be a Linux computer, my next phone Android , I already have an Android based set to box for streaming from Netflix to complement my Apple TVs.

 

Apple will slowly be replaced in my household, item by item, until you are no longer part of our lives.

 

     

 

 

 

you are addressing the wrong party. If Apple has paid in NZ all the tax that NZ law requires of it then it is the Government you need to lobby. If a company over pays what it is legally required to do the amount overpaid becomes a debt owed by the Crown to that company and will be refunded.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, but guess who does the lobbying about how tax laws get structured, its certainly not you and me.


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  Reply # 1744576 20-Mar-2017 15:43
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Isn't this getting rather off-topic?

 

Back on topic, wasn't Trump going to offer reduced tax rates for organisations who repatriated profit from tax havens back to the USA?

 

That'll really p!ss off some tax haven economies I expect.  Actually out of all his promises, IMO that's probably one of the least lousy - though it may have dire complications for countries seeking to entice US investment - and like many US policies, seems to be a race for the bottom.


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