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  Reply # 1744604 20-Mar-2017 16:04
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If Mr Trump tries to pressure the NZ Government to spend more on defence I will have to dust off my old protest gear. While there is some new equipment our Forces need we don't need the US telling us what to spend. 





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  Reply # 1744608 20-Mar-2017 16:09
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MikeB4:

 

If Mr Trump tries to pressure the NZ Government to spend more on defence I will have to dust off my old protest gear. While there is some new equipment our Forces need we don't need the US telling us what to spend. 

 

 

PM me if that happens - I'll join you.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1744611 20-Mar-2017 16:09
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MikeB4:

 

If Mr Trump tries to pressure the NZ Government to spend more on defence I will have to dust off my old protest gear. While there is some new equipment our Forces need we don't need the US telling us what to spend. 

 

 

 

 

We just tell him that until US corporates pay their fair share of taxes we can't and won't.

 

And even then we say "No deal is better than a bad deal", so no we still won't spend more.


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  Reply # 1744613 20-Mar-2017 16:11
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MikeB4:

 

If Mr Trump tries to pressure the NZ Government to spend more on defence I will have to dust off my old protest gear. While there is some new equipment our Forces need we don't need the US telling us what to spend. 

 

 

 

 

We just tell him that until US corporates pay their fair share of taxes we can't and won't.

 

And even then we say "No deal is better than a bad deal", so no we still won't spend more.

 

 

 

 

good idea but then use the funds to buy it from China and to boost our Climate change responses.





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  Reply # 1744656 20-Mar-2017 17:36
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Came across another meme I quite like:

 


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  Reply # 1744824 20-Mar-2017 20:55
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tdgeek:

 

I think Apple is an Irish company! Thats where they are corporate based and their dosh sits there or from there IIRC. They reckon they do oay their fair share of tax, bit maybe not to the US. And I assume the US tax laws make offshoring funds beneficial

 

 

Apple pays what tax it is legally obliged to pay. That is completely different from paying their fair share.

 

Apple has a deal with the Irish Govt... in return for building a factory in Ireland and employing a bunch of people, they would only pay tax on what is manufactured at that factory. Subsequently, they set up "Apple International", which is nominally headquartered in Ireland but whose board of directors has never actually met in Ireland. All other Apple companies pay sufficient fees to Apple International for "marketing" and "IP" and so on, so that those subsidiaries pay no tax. Apple International makes a huge profit, but pays no tax under the agreement with Ireland. Apple Ireland (running the factory), pays quite a lot of tax (relatively speaking).

 

 

 

 

Cheers for that. Good insight on my base knowledge. But its a good deal for IRE and Apple?


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  Reply # 1744825 20-Mar-2017 20:59
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Isn't this getting rather off-topic?

 

Back on topic, wasn't Trump going to offer reduced tax rates for organisations who repatriated profit from tax havens back to the USA?

 

That'll really p!ss off some tax haven economies I expect.  Actually out of all his promises, IMO that's probably one of the least lousy - though it may have dire complications for countries seeking to entice US investment - and like many US policies, seems to be a race for the bottom.

 

 

Lousy? I like the tax cuts to help the people, that the country cannot afford. Or too give tax cuts then whip em back for Trumpcare. Nothing is free. More savings, less coverage, pick one.


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tdgeek:

 

Fred99:

 

Isn't this getting rather off-topic?

 

Back on topic, wasn't Trump going to offer reduced tax rates for organisations who repatriated profit from tax havens back to the USA?

 

That'll really p!ss off some tax haven economies I expect.  Actually out of all his promises, IMO that's probably one of the least lousy - though it may have dire complications for countries seeking to entice US investment - and like many US policies, seems to be a race for the bottom.

 

 

Lousy? I like the tax cuts to help the people, that the country cannot afford. Or too give tax cuts then whip em back for Trumpcare. Nothing is free. More savings, less coverage, pick one.

 

 

Don't disagree - I said "one of the least lousy".

 

Much lousier (IMO) was sticking it to the working class on repeal and no alternative to the ACA, increasing expenditure by 9% on the already formidable world dominant US war-machine and financing it by cuts to environmental protection/governance,  ad nauseum.


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  Reply # 1744947 21-Mar-2017 00:21
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on the news the other day, Apple's NZ tax payment for 2016 was $0.00000

 

 

So GST isn't a tax?





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  Reply # 1744949 21-Mar-2017 00:42
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joker97:

 

on the news the other day, Apple's NZ tax payment for 2016 was $0.00000

 

 

So GST isn't a tax?

 

 

Apple don't pay GST - no GST registered business does. They collect it on behalf of the government from the consumer. 





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  Reply # 1744963 21-Mar-2017 07:19
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joker97:

 

on the news the other day, Apple's NZ tax payment for 2016 was $0.00000

 

 

So GST isn't a tax?

 

 

 

 

GST is a sales tax, it is paid by the consumer at point of sale.

 

Company tax is paid on its profits, and currently multinationals are using "tricks" to whisk their profits overseas and avoid taxation.


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MikeB4:

 

My understanding is that to impeach there has to be a majority vote in the Capital for this to proceed. This will require a good number of Republican Representatives to "cross the floor", this currently would be doubtful. However if enough Republicans believe that they will get savaged in the 2018 House elections then they may well push the issue but I doubt that would be this year.

 

 

Not firing anything at anyone in particular, but my feeling is that people who suggest (not talking about you MikeB4) ways to get Trump impeached is just being sore, and really clutching at straws. 

 

He was voted in by Americans, he is their leader, let him do what he needs to do for the American people. If he wants to dismantle the country it's his problem really. Why would a New Zealander halfway round the world want to figure out ways to impeach him?

 

So far I haven't seen anything that your/my boss at work isn't doing (openly or secretly), he's the boss, he does what he wants, let the shareholders deal with it if they want/can.


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joker97:

 

 

 

Not firing anything at anyone in particular, but my feeling is that people who suggest (not talking about you MikeB4) ways to get Trump impeached is just being sore, and really clutching at straws. 

 

He was voted in by Americans, he is their leader, let him do what he needs to do for the American people. If he wants to dismantle the country it's his problem really. Why would a New Zealander halfway round the world want to figure out ways to impeach him?

 

So far I haven't seen anything that your/my boss at work isn't doing (openly or secretly), he's the boss, he does what he wants, let the shareholders deal with it if they want/can.

 

 

Comparison between POTUS and the boss of a company is a serious mistake, he's there to serve the people and honour his sworn oath to uphold the constitution - not enrich his shareholders.  That said, plenty of CEOs fall foul of shareholders and are either ousted or fall on their swords.  It's also fairly standard to see boards stand firm behind dud CEOs until it's untenable to do so any more - then the axe falls and usually takes more than one head.

 

Trump's now been thoroughly humiliated on several serious claims for which he's on record for saying.  He and some brave/stupid Republicans are trying to deflect by playing the Nixon defense - that the "real crime" is the leaking of information - that tactic didn't go well for Nixon. "Must find leaker!" is amongst Trump's tweets this morning, along with multiple diversionary accusations / rhetorical questions, attacks on the media.  

 

If at some stage he's put in the position of having to testify under oath - about anything that takes longer than a minute or two - how do you think that'll go?

 

As leader of the wealthiest country on earth, with by far the most powerful military on earth, who with only 5% of the world population consume about 25% of the world's resources, who have veto power at the UN, who've been involved in constant military conflict outside the USA for the past 70 years, I hope you're not saying that you find it odd that people outside the USA take an interest in what the POTUS is doing?

 

 

 

 


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WASHINGTON (AP) — Cementing her role as a powerful White House influence, Ivanka Trump is working out of a West Wing office and will get access to classified information, though she is not technically serving as a government employee, according to an attorney for the first daughter.

 

Jamie Gorelick, an attorney and ethics adviser for Ivanka Trump, said Monday that the first daughter will not have an official title, but will get a West Wing office, government-issued communications devices and security clearance to access classified information. Gorelick said Ivanka Trump would follow the ethics rules that apply to government employees.

 

 

This is IMO creepy and bizarre - basically giving her this, but she's not an "employee" as she's not getting paid, so not subject to vetting required before being granted access to classified information, evading anti-nepotism laws, evading financial disclosure rules.

 

 


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  Reply # 1745212 21-Mar-2017 15:16
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But nothing will surprise us.


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