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  Reply # 1809876 30-Jun-2017 20:38
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Also, congrats @coil - this is probably the only thread here that started trending on its first day and has been in the frontpage "Trending discussions" constantly for almost eight months now.





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So, a TL:DR version of alleged events leading to Trump's abusive tweet storm:

 

Trump wasn't happy about criticism of Trump's first few months in the WH on the "Morning Joe" show.

 

Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski were in a relationship.

 

The National Enquirer - tabloid - owned by a good friend of Trump, had "dirt" on them - about how that relationship came about. 

 

Kushner contacted Scarborough about the story, suggesting that if Scarborough/Brzezinski apologised for the "negative coverage", then the story about their private lives wouldn't be published.  IOW - he attempts to blackmail them.

 

Scarborough claims to have records of this (text messages from Kushner etc).

 

They don't apologise - the story gets published.

 

Trump launches into them in a disgusting personal attack on Twitter.

 

 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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This latest episode in the White House soap opera I believe has damaged the brand possibly for ever or the next 10 decades. Above all else he has shown that he has no class what so ever.





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  Reply # 1810027 1-Jul-2017 12:02
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MikeB4:

 

This latest episode in the White House soap opera I believe has damaged the brand possibly for ever or the next 10 decades.
Above all else he has shown that he has no class what so ever.

 

 





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  Reply # 1810043 1-Jul-2017 12:28
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MikeB4:

 

This latest episode in the White House soap opera I believe has damaged the brand possibly for ever or the next 10 decades. Above all else he has shown that he has no class what so ever.

 

 

I agree. While its just another mindless tweet, I think he is over the boundaries now for his supporters. Im sure many Trump supporters are praying to give us 2 weeks off Twitter or we give up. I feel that this is the start of a more aggressive downward slide from GOP, Republicans and Trump supporters towards him. That in itself will wind him up, a good spiral to watch unfold


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  Reply # 1810051 1-Jul-2017 12:46
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The latest from Washington Post: Trump's idea is to repeal Obamacare now and vote a new healthcare bill later.

 

These people have no consideration at all for poor people. Whoever voted for him thinking he was going to work for them had a misguided, dumb idea, of life.





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  Reply # 1810055 1-Jul-2017 12:54
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freitasm:

 

The latest from Washington Post: Trump's idea is to repeal Obamacare now and vote a new healthcare bill later.

 

These people have no consideration at all for poor people. Whoever voted for him thinking he was going to work for them had a misguided, dumb idea, of life.

 

 

 

 

That would roughly mean 100 million with no healthcare or be able to afford it. A death sentence to a lot of people.

 

Those that like to call our current government right wing, clearly have no understanding of what right wing means. This American experiment should be a valuable lesson to the world on what happens when lies and deceit become the norm in politics.

 

The sadest thing is this is what America voted for...he promised this in his campaign and he is delivering.

 

 


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you read stories on how much people are paying for health insurance in the states and it's mind boggling.e.g A retired couple in Colorado says they pay $2,000 a month for basic coverage and they are happy. People in NZ should never complain about out health service after seeing what happens in the USA.


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  Reply # 1810082 1-Jul-2017 14:43
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MikeB4:

 

This latest episode in the White House soap opera I believe has damaged the brand possibly for ever or the next 10 decades. Above all else he has shown that he has no class what so ever.

 

 

I agree. While its just another mindless tweet, I think he is over the boundaries now for his supporters. Im sure many Trump supporters are praying to give us 2 weeks off Twitter or we give up. I feel that this is the start of a more aggressive downward slide from GOP, Republicans and Trump supporters towards him. That in itself will wind him up, a good spiral to watch unfold

 

 

I wish I could agree with you, but I see no evidence of that.

 

 

Now that's clearly no great record when most of the time Trump has less than 40% support vs 55% against, however:

 

I don't see any particular trend apart from post inauguration honeymoon period cool-off.

 

I don't expect that the WH is too worried - yet.  The Republican Party has blatantly gerrymandered electorates and worked to make voting for as difficult as possible for many.  Trump's lies about voter fraud - for which he has no evidence - would go down well with the GOP, they'll want to extend that system nationwide.  That's why there's a stacked "voter fraud commission".  You don't set up such a commission when there's no credible evidence of voter fraud to begin with - there's little doubt it's set up to create an illusion that there is an issue, then "fix" that by implementing policies which you know will suppress (Democrat) voters by putting obstacles in the way of voter registration and voting.

 

Democracy is under attack in the USA.

 

And anyway - why would Trump worry about his own pig-ignorant tweet? He was elected POTUS despite "pussygate", despite misogynist rants, despite racist rants, despite lying through his teeth.


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  Reply # 1810083 1-Jul-2017 14:47
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32 million people would lose coverage if Obamacare was repealed

 

Watch the short video:  yet another Trump flip-flop ...  undecided

 

Trump made repeated campaign promises NOT to leave a gap in health care coverage during the changeover from "Obamacare" to "Trumpcare".

 

Trump reverses health care tactics with a tweet -

 





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This is so good: American Dignity (The New Yorker):

 

 

Donald Trump, who, in fairness, has noted that “Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job,” represents an entirely different tradition. He has no interest in the wholeness of reality. He descends from the lineage of the Know-Nothings, the doomsayers and the fabulists, the nativists and the hucksters. The thematic shift from Obama to Trump has been from “lifting as we climb” to “raising the drawbridge and bolting the door.” Trump may operate a twenty-first-century Twitter machine, but he is still a frontier-era drummer peddling snake oil, juniper tar, and Dr. Tabler’s Buckeye Pile Cure for profit from the back of a dusty wagon.

 

As a candidate, Trump told his followers that he would fulfill “every dream you ever dreamed for your country.” But he is a plutocrat. His loyalty is to the interests of the plutocracy. Trump’s vows of solidarity with the struggling working class, with the victims of globalization and deindustrialization, are a fraud. He made coal miners a symbol of his campaign, but he has always held them in contempt. To him, they are luckless schmoes who fail to possess his ineffable talents. “The coal miner gets black-lung disease, his son gets it, then his son,” Trump once told Playboy. “If I had been the son of a coal miner, I would have left the damn mines. But most people don’t have the imagination—or whatever—to leave their mine. They don’t have ‘it.’ ”

 

Trump is hardly the first bad President in American history—he has not had adequate time to eclipse, in deed, the very worst—but when has any politician done so much, so quickly, to demean his office, his country, and even the language in which he attempts to speak? Every day, Trump wakes up and erodes the dignity of the Presidency a little more. He tells a lie. He tells another. He trolls Arnold Schwarzenegger. He trolls the press, bellowing “enemy of the people” and “fake news!” He shoves aside a Balkan head of state. He summons his Cabinet members to have them swear fealty to his awesomeness. He leers at an Irish journalist. Last Thursday, he tweeted at Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, of MSNBC: “I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don’t watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came . . . to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year’s Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!” The President’s misogyny and his indecency are well established. When is it time to question his mental stability?

 





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  Reply # 1810089 1-Jul-2017 15:13
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Here in Oz, the Labor party are further to the right on many issues than National are in NZ. Same with US Democrats





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  Reply # 1810090 1-Jul-2017 15:17
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I don't expect that the WH is too worried - yet.  The Republican Party has blatantly gerrymandered electorates and worked to make voting for as difficult as possible for many.  Trump's lies about voter fraud - for which he has no evidence - would go down well with the GOP, they'll want to extend that system nationwide.  That's why there's a stacked "voter fraud commission".  You don't set up such a commission when there's no credible evidence of voter fraud to begin with - there's little doubt it's set up to create an illusion that there is an issue, then "fix" that by implementing policies which you know will suppress (Democrat) voters by putting obstacles in the way of voter registration and voting.

 

 

Most states - at least the ones with significant populations - are refusing to cooperate with the voter fraud commission. It looks to be dead in the water.

 

 





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  Reply # 1810106 1-Jul-2017 15:50
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Fred99:

 

 

 

I don't expect that the WH is too worried - yet.  The Republican Party has blatantly gerrymandered electorates and worked to make voting for as difficult as possible for many.  Trump's lies about voter fraud - for which he has no evidence - would go down well with the GOP, they'll want to extend that system nationwide.  That's why there's a stacked "voter fraud commission".  You don't set up such a commission when there's no credible evidence of voter fraud to begin with - there's little doubt it's set up to create an illusion that there is an issue, then "fix" that by implementing policies which you know will suppress (Democrat) voters by putting obstacles in the way of voter registration and voting.

 

 

Most states - at least the ones with significant populations - are refusing to cooperate with the voter fraud commission. It looks to be dead in the water.

 

 

 

 

They don't need to have cooperation to reach conclusions.  In fact - non-cooperation has already led to claims that there's "something to hide" (regardless of legitimate legal reasons why some states are not providing data).

 

The POTUS and some   many of his administration are conspiracy theorists already.


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