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  Reply # 1821286 12-Jul-2017 14:35
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Trump did an effective job of painting Clinton as corrupt and that had a lot to do with it. Anyone in American politics that long will have a lot of baggage and Americans are widely aware of all the lobbying and so on in Washington. Clinton really failed to address that head on.

I also think her free uni tuition policy was virtually meaningless to many Americans with more basic concerns.

Clinton failed.

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  Reply # 1821288 12-Jul-2017 14:40
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SaltyNZ:

freitasm:


And I repeat again: the main reason Trump was elected is because bigoted, racist, dumb Americans couldn't accept the idea of the first woman president, even more so after the first black president.



 


Well, it didn't help that she wasn't a particularly amazing candidate in her own right. She is a war hawk, a liar, and happy to play fast and loose with the law in ways that would certainly have gotten a mere peon fired (whether or not any harm was done, using a private email server for government business was not allowed). It isn't necessary to assume sexism as the main reason she lost the election. I wouldn't have voted for her either, but not because she is a woman. Bernie for 2020!



That's completely true.

But, as it turns out, the margin to Trump was pretty small, and I cannot say that were there no fake internet news on Clinton committing atrocities, FBI announcement of a false alarm, etc, that Trump would have still won.

Nevermind the Russians, that is.

But you'd think a stronger candidate would have managed to weather those storms in a teacup.

Well, call it a rugby match then. Plenty of controversy about fairplay, but in the end the winner's crowned and that's who America voted- their Potus.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1821289 12-Jul-2017 14:42
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gzt: Trump did an effective job of painting Clinton as corrupt and that had a lot to do with it. Anyone in American politics that long will have a lot of baggage and Americans are widely aware of all the lobbying and so on in Washington. Clinton really failed to address that head on.

I also think her free uni tuition policy was virtually meaningless to many Americans with more basic concerns.

Clinton failed.


Yes. It's like Survivor. Tribe has spoken.

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gzt: Trump did an effective job of painting Clinton as corrupt and that had a lot to do with it. Anyone in American politics that long will have a lot of baggage and Americans are widely aware of all the lobbying and so on in Washington. Clinton really failed to address that head on.

I also think her free uni tuition policy was virtually meaningless to many Americans with more basic concerns.

Clinton failed.

 

 

 

Trump had a Boeing 757 full of gold plated baggage - but still won the electoral college.

 

Many republicans are blatant hypocrites - that was a main issue - and it still is.


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  Reply # 1821298 12-Jul-2017 15:01
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gzt: Trump did an effective job of painting Clinton as corrupt and that had a lot to do with it. Anyone in American politics that long will have a lot of baggage and Americans are widely aware of all the lobbying and so on in Washington. Clinton really failed to address that head on.

I also think her free uni tuition policy was virtually meaningless to many Americans with more basic concerns.

Clinton failed.


 


Trump had a Boeing 757 full of gold plated baggage -


Yes that's obvious and Clinton completely failed to address it.

but still won the electoral college.


Many republicans are blatant hypocrites - that was a main issue - and it still is.


Same can be said from the other side. It's a simple cancel on that one.

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  Reply # 1821338 12-Jul-2017 15:29
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freitasm:

 

And I repeat again: the main reason Trump was elected is because bigoted, racist, dumb Americans couldn't accept the idea of the first woman president, even more so after the first black president.

 

 

It may have contributed, but I don't think is was the main reason. She may be an accomplished politician, but she was a terrible candidate/campaigner.


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  Reply # 1821365 12-Jul-2017 16:37
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gzt:
Fred99:

 

gzt: Trump did an effective job of painting Clinton as corrupt and that had a lot to do with it. Anyone in American politics that long will have a lot of baggage and Americans are widely aware of all the lobbying and so on in Washington. Clinton really failed to address that head on.

I also think her free uni tuition policy was virtually meaningless to many Americans with more basic concerns.

Clinton failed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trump had a Boeing 757 full of gold plated baggage -


Yes that's obvious and Clinton completely failed to address it.

but still won the electoral college.

 

Many republicans are blatant hypocrites - that was a main issue - and it still is.

 


Same can be said from the other side. It's a simple cancel on that one.

 

Sorry - but that's wildly incorrect.  Trump lies are absolutely unprecedented, the attacks on Obama during his presidency - based on absolute outright dirty lies (birtherism etc), the Trump administration's ongoing attack on the free press, the hypocrisy of "pro-life" agenda balanced against the probable deaths of millions as an inevitable direct result of proposed republican healthcare reforms, the appeal to christians when Trump has less Jesus in him than a lump of coal.

 

Hillary certainly failed - IMO two huge errors of judgement:

 

Overestimating Republicans.  The Fox News viewing, Trump loving, conspiracy theory believing, anti-intellectual, anti-liberal, despicable scumbags weren't an anomaly like Palin's tea-party supporters.  They are now the core of the Republican party.  For more proof of that, look at how McCain has been marginalised.  Calling the deplorables deplorable had the same effect as calling a baby ugly at a plunket party.  Everybody (except the mother) might have quietly thought the baby was butt ugly before you said it, after you said it they'd all want to scratch your eyes out.

 

The "when they go low - we go high" idea was seriously wrong.  Fight fire with fire.  The MSM failed to call out Trump as a liar until after he was sworn in. Stupid - as he is a blatant liar, a dirty liar, an obvious liar - and he has no defense against that truth.


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  Reply # 1821380 12-Jul-2017 17:01
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The GOP didn't win the election, the Dems lost it.

 

Simply put, Hillary just wasn't a suitable candidate.

 

Bernie was a far better bet, but the Dems chose to back Hillary.

 

So, you could easily lay the blame for the current ballsup on the Dems.

 

Kind a makes one wonder: Is it that big a deal, becoming POTUS?

 

IMHO, Chump is the first candidate that apparently makes big bucks who can be bothered to run for POTUS.

 

The guys who really make the money in the US and globally, don't care who dons the grubby POTUS mantle, as long as their financial interests are secured and fruitful.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1821428 12-Jul-2017 17:44
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Americans used to boast that anyone could grow up to be president. I guess they really can.

 

 





I reject your reality and substitute my own. - Adam Savage
 


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  Reply # 1821430 12-Jul-2017 17:52
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Rikkitic: Americans used to boast that anyone could grow up to be president. I guess they really can.


The petulant man-child has grown up? FTFY

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  Reply # 1821458 12-Jul-2017 18:49
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Fred99:
Rikkitic: Americans used to boast that anyone could grow up to be president. I guess they really can.


The petulant man-child has grown up? FTFY

 





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  Reply # 1821465 12-Jul-2017 19:10
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Hypothetical question: You are an alien overseer, sent to Earth to set up a stable governmental system.

 

Which country (or governmental system) would you choose?


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  Reply # 1821467 12-Jul-2017 19:16
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geekIT:

 

Hypothetical question: You are an alien overseer, sent to Earth to set up a stable governmental system.

 

Which country (or governmental system) would you choose?

 

 

PRNK is stable. Been there for decades


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  Reply # 1821560 12-Jul-2017 22:52
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Fred99:

gzt:
Fred99:


gzt: Trump did an effective job of painting Clinton as corrupt and that had a lot to do with it. Anyone in American politics that long will have a lot of baggage and Americans are widely aware of all the lobbying and so on in Washington. Clinton really failed to address that head on.

I also think her free uni tuition policy was virtually meaningless to many Americans with more basic concerns.

Clinton failed.


 


 


 


Trump had a Boeing 757 full of gold plated baggage -


Yes that's obvious and Clinton completely failed to address it.

but still won the electoral college.


Many republicans are blatant hypocrites - that was a main issue - and it still is.



Same can be said from the other side. It's a simple cancel on that one.


Sorry - but that's wildly incorrect.  Trump lies are absolutely unprecedented, the attacks on Obama during his presidency - based on absolute outright dirty lies (birtherism etc), the Trump administration's ongoing attack on the free press, the hypocrisy of "pro-life" agenda balanced against the probable deaths of millions as an inevitable direct result of proposed republican healthcare reforms, the appeal to christians when Trump has less Jesus in him than a lump of coal.


Hillary certainly failed - IMO two huge errors of judgement:


Overestimating Republicans.  The Fox News viewing, Trump loving, conspiracy theory believing, anti-intellectual, anti-liberal, despicable scumbags weren't an anomaly like Palin's tea-party supporters.  They are now the core of the Republican party.  For more proof of that, look at how McCain has been marginalised.  Calling the deplorables deplorable had the same effect as calling a baby ugly at a plunket party.  Everybody (except the mother) might have quietly thought the baby was butt ugly before you said it, after you said it they'd all want to scratch your eyes out.


The "when they go low - we go high" idea was seriously wrong.  Fight fire with fire.  The MSM failed to call out Trump as a liar until after he was sworn in. Stupid - as he is a blatant liar, a dirty liar, an obvious liar - and he has no defense against that truth.


Trump does have a defense. Trump's entire defense is an attack on Clinton. He's still using it.

Clinton can easily get the next democratic nomination and seems to want it. The Clinton Foundation has tons of influence to throw around. Of course it would be a disaster.

The democratic party needs to work out a new deal for America and present that to the electorate. Unfortunately there is no sign of anyone breaking ranks to begin that process.


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