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  Reply # 1822382 14-Jul-2017 11:47
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frankv:The reasons for that vote were that he wanted change, and didn't trust Hillary. I believe that a lot of Americans are in the same boat.

 

That I can almost understand. What I don't understand is the continued support now that after several months in office he has proven to be ineffective at best.


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  Reply # 1822440 14-Jul-2017 13:05
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freitasm:

 

@frankv:

 

Another interesting thing is that Trump really isn't all that important to Americans (presumably that's why he's not on the news as much). They have a great deal of faith in their Constitution and legal systems and so on to filter any radical ideas that *any* American (President, Senator, judge, general, or Joe Public) into a moderate change. So it doesn't matter terribly to have a crazy POTUS because the checks and balances will keep the country from doing anything crazy. I think that Bernie Sanders (viewed by many as a loony left pinko) got to be a Senator on the same basis... he's kinda crazy, but has some good ideas.

 

 

What people seem to ignore is that a Constitution is as good as the people defending it. How many times we've seen countries with good Constitutions just going down the path of dictatorships? A weak leader, a revolt and some opportunist that can claim "I alone can solve this!" followed by "But I need you to understand some changes are needed" and down goes the Constitution...

 

 

All I can say is that so far it seems to be working. Trump has (so far) proved to be quite ineffectual when it comes to actually implementing his changes. The States, the Supreme Court, the DOJ; all seem to be keeping him in line.

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1822458 14-Jul-2017 13:20
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frankv:The reasons for that vote were that he wanted change, and didn't trust Hillary. I believe that a lot of Americans are in the same boat.

 

That I can almost understand. What I don't understand is the continued support now that after several months in office he has proven to be ineffective at best.

 

 

Yeah, I'm not saying I fully understand it either.

 

I suspect there's some confirmation bias; people see in Trump what they want to see.

 

And that there's a patriotic, nationalistic aspect; it's seen as disrespectful to your country to diss its leader. Plus, a country should unite behind its leader, even if they disagree with him.

 

And no-one wants to admit they've made a mistake; sit it out for another 3.5 years and they'll never have to do that. Especially since he's been ineffective. You can blame his impotence on the Dems and the SCOTUS and anyone else, and sing the praises of the pie in the sky that would surely have come to be if it hadn't been for all those negative people. Whilst privately being glad he's being prevented from doing any real harm, and counting down to November 2020.

 

 


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  Reply # 1822487 14-Jul-2017 14:12
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frankv:

 

Paul1977:

 

frankv:The reasons for that vote were that he wanted change, and didn't trust Hillary. I believe that a lot of Americans are in the same boat.

 

That I can almost understand. What I don't understand is the continued support now that after several months in office he has proven to be ineffective at best.

 

 

Yeah, I'm not saying I fully understand it either.

 

I suspect there's some confirmation bias; people see in Trump what they want to see.

 

 

You mention this in a couple of paragraphs later but reality is that not many people are tall enough to stand up and say "I was wrong, and I voted for the wrong ideas".

 

frankv:

 

And that there's a patriotic, nationalistic aspect; it's seen as disrespectful to your country to diss its leader. Plus, a country should unite behind its leader, even if they disagree with him.

 

 

And that's the worst thing... Patriotism is not following the leader blindly. Patriotism is the support of one's country, not of one's President. You can respect the Office but not necessarily have respect by the occupant of the office. 

 

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" is often attributed to Thomas Jefferson. Regardless it's absolutely true. If one sees that their country is being taken the utmost patriotic action is to show dissent.





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Jimmy Kimmel on Donald Trump’s Transparent Border Wall


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  Reply # 1822990 15-Jul-2017 18:00
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Apparently Trumpy said this about his dad: "Back in the early 2000s, my father starting losing his grip on reality. He started to believe that everyone was out to get him."


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  Reply # 1823000 15-Jul-2017 18:49
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DarthKermit:

 

Apparently Trumpy said this about his dad: "Back in the early 2000s, my father starting losing his grip on reality. He started to believe that everyone was out to get him."

 

 

No, Trump didn't say that. This quote comes from this article and the author is talking about her dad, not Trump talking about his dad. Read again for context.





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  Reply # 1823020 15-Jul-2017 20:37
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freitasm:

 

DarthKermit:

 

Apparently Trumpy said this about his dad: "Back in the early 2000s, my father starting losing his grip on reality. He started to believe that everyone was out to get him."

 

 

No, Trump didn't say that. This quote comes from this article and the author is talking about her dad, not Trump talking about his dad. Read again for context.

 

 

 

 

Proves how easy fake news is able to be propagated....


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  Reply # 1823023 15-Jul-2017 20:54
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frankv:

freitasm:


@frankv:


Another interesting thing is that Trump really isn't all that important to Americans (presumably that's why he's not on the news as much). They have a great deal of faith in their Constitution and legal systems and so on to filter any radical ideas that *any* American (President, Senator, judge, general, or Joe Public) into a moderate change. So it doesn't matter terribly to have a crazy POTUS because the checks and balances will keep the country from doing anything crazy. I think that Bernie Sanders (viewed by many as a loony left pinko) got to be a Senator on the same basis... he's kinda crazy, but has some good ideas.



What people seem to ignore is that a Constitution is as good as the people defending it. How many times we've seen countries with good Constitutions just going down the path of dictatorships? A weak leader, a revolt and some opportunist that can claim "I alone can solve this!" followed by "But I need you to understand some changes are needed" and down goes the Constitution...



All I can say is that so far it seems to be working. Trump has (so far) proved to be quite ineffectual when it comes to actually implementing his changes. The States, the Supreme Court, the DOJ; all seem to be keeping him in line.


To some degree that is true, to some degree it isn't. Trump's 'muslim ban' is mostly a reality.

Trump's various cabinet appointments and the many appointments to other positions will be slowly but surely making changes in policy implementation.

This is a very small period in a four year term.

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  Reply # 1823031 15-Jul-2017 21:47
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New Republic: A review of the public record reveals a clear and disturbing pattern: Trump owes much of his business success, and by extension his presidency, to a flow of highly suspicious money from Russia. Over the past three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to Russian mobsters or oligarchs have owned, lived in, and even run criminal activities out of Trump Tower and other Trump properties. Many used his apartments and casinos to launder untold millions in dirty money.

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  Reply # 1823037 15-Jul-2017 22:12
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gzt: New Republic: A review of the public record reveals a clear and disturbing pattern: Trump owes much of his business success, and by extension his presidency, to a flow of highly suspicious money from Russia. Over the past three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to Russian mobsters or oligarchs have owned, lived in, and even run criminal activities out of Trump Tower and other Trump properties. Many used his apartments and casinos to launder untold millions in dirty money.

 

 

+1  The above link points to a long and detailed article in the New Republic:

 

Trump’s Russian Laundromat by Craig Unger July 13, 2017

"How to use Trump Tower and other luxury high-rises to clean dirty money, run an international crime syndicate, and propel a failed real estate developer into the White House."

 

   





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  Reply # 1823108 16-Jul-2017 09:16
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gzt: New Republic: A review of the public record reveals a clear and disturbing pattern: Trump owes much of his business success, and by extension his presidency, to a flow of highly suspicious money from Russia. Over the past three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to Russian mobsters or oligarchs have owned, lived in, and even run criminal activities out of Trump Tower and other Trump properties. Many used his apartments and casinos to launder untold millions in dirty money.

 

 

Conspiracy theorist clickbait. From the same article:

 

 

It’s entirely possible that Trump was never more than a convenient patsy for Russian oligarchs and mobsters, with his casinos and condos providing easy pass-throughs for their illicit riches. At the very least, with his constant need for new infusions of cash and his well-documented troubles with creditors, Trump made an easy “mark” for anyone looking to launder money.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1823130 16-Jul-2017 10:05
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Can you expand on why you see the article or the paragraph I quoted to be clickbait?

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  Reply # 1824740 18-Jul-2017 20:15
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And now the Senate found out they can't pass their crappy healthcare bill. Of course the next thing is to plan for a repeal now and work on an old one (that was vetoed by President Obama) as a replacement IN TWO YEARS TIME.

 

The Republicans have no mercy of poor people. All for the "We won! We repealed it!"





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  Reply # 1824745 18-Jul-2017 20:21
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The GOP Healthcare Blueprint:

 

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