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  # 1667652 10-Nov-2016 21:54
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Rikkitic:

 

Here is a surprise. Significant numbers of young people have been smoking pot in Holland for years. That is a country that has a far more generous public health system than we do, yet it is not overburdened by decrepit drug users. In fact, most of those pot smokers are students who go on to become concert musicians, politicians, sociologists, and yes, even psychologists, and many continue to enjoy the occasional toke well into old age. Of course some also just go on the dole and never amount to anything, very much like any cross-section of society. The question I always come back to is what is it about New Zealand that makes us so much more vulnerable and in need of excessive protection from the nanny brigade? I am not arguing that drugs of any kind are good for us, though some actually may be  in the right circumstances. I am arguing that rational adults who are considered capable of making their own decisions do not want self-appointed moral guardians dictating their behaviour.

 

 

From an observational viewpoint, I would have to say that what it is about New Zealand is the inability (unwillingness?) to distinguish being the occasional toke versus excessive consumption.  I would say that there is a definite change in the air with respect to this inability - fewer people appear to have the aim of getting completely wasted and seem to enjoy a simple buzz, so perhaps with time "New Zealand" would cope without the "excessive protection".

 

I still find it rather ironic that there is enormous support to quash tobacco smoking in this country, yet a drug whose primary method of consumption is via smoking has a large amount of support to be decriminalised / legalised.


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  # 1667724 11-Nov-2016 00:29
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Rikkitic:

 

Here is a surprise. Significant numbers of young people have been smoking pot in Holland for years. That is a country that has a far more generous public health system than we do, yet it is not overburdened by decrepit drug users. In fact, most of those pot smokers are students who go on to become concert musicians, politicians, sociologists, and yes, even psychologists, and many continue to enjoy the occasional toke well into old age. Of course some also just go on the dole and never amount to anything, very much like any cross-section of society. The question I always come back to is what is it about New Zealand that makes us so much more vulnerable and in need of excessive protection from the nanny brigade? I am not arguing that drugs of any kind are good for us, though some actually may be  in the right circumstances. I am arguing that rational adults who are considered capable of making their own decisions do not want self-appointed moral guardians dictating their behaviour.

 

 

From an observational viewpoint, I would have to say that what it is about New Zealand is the inability (unwillingness?) to distinguish being the occasional toke versus excessive consumption.  I would say that there is a definite change in the air with respect to this inability - fewer people appear to have the aim of getting completely wasted and seem to enjoy a simple buzz, so perhaps with time "New Zealand" would cope without the "excessive protection".

 

I still find it rather ironic that there is enormous support to quash tobacco smoking in this country, yet a drug whose primary method of consumption is via smoking has a large amount of support to be decriminalised / legalised.

 

 

 

 

Except with weed you wouldn't be smoking 30 a day like a lot of cigarette smokers do.

 

Please there are so many other ways to use it.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1667740 11-Nov-2016 05:57
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If talking about the health aspects, i consider marijuana to be good for health. Why not introduce the same law in Aus :D


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  # 1667986 11-Nov-2016 13:05
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I love following threads like this.  They inevitably all follow the same format though:

Person A - Here's and idea

 

Person B - Here's my righteous opinion

 

Person C - I support the idea

 

Person B - More righteous attitude

 

Person A - Defense of their idea

 

Person B - More righteous attitude

 

And it goes on and on.... :-)

 

 


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  # 1668031 11-Nov-2016 13:20
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Satch:

 

I love following threads like this.  They inevitably all follow the same format though:

Person A - Here's and idea

 

Person B - Here's my righteous opinion

 

Person C - I support the idea

 

Person B - More righteous attitude

 

Person A - Defense of their idea

 

Person B - More righteous attitude

 

And it goes on and on.... :-)

 

 

 

 

Glad it gives you pleasure. In fact, it is not unlike smoking a joint. 

 

Person A - Here's an idea. At least I think it is an idea. Maybe it is actually an idea about an idea. Wow. That is deep. Uh, what was I talking about...?

 

Person B - No idea but it sounds great to me. God I'm hungry.

 

Person C - Whatever it was, it has to be right. Or is that righteous? Where did that joint go? Oh, I'm smoking it.

 

Person B - Ummmmm

 

Person A - Wow! Wow! Wow!

 

Person B- Ummmmm

 

And they all gorge on the pizza after it finally arrives from light-years away, embrace each other fondly, and go to bed, some together...:-)

 

 

 

Postscript: Isn't it wonderful how some things make you feel good?

 

 

 

 





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  # 1668054 11-Nov-2016 13:46
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I would be happy to see cannabis legalised subject to controls: -

 

- Age, time and place limits for purchase (like alcohol).

 

- Formulated to a known strength which is displayed on the packet (like alcohol).

 

- Not able to be used in any inhaled form in any public space or business premises - no passive exposure of bystanders to cannabis. 

 

- Taxed heavily (like alcohol).

 

 





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  # 1668060 11-Nov-2016 14:04
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Reminds me of an Alan Davies stand up routine where he was talking about performance enhancing drugs being banned in sport and how he could only assume anyone who had banned it on the grounds of performance enhancement had obviously never tried it!

 

He said something like "Imagine Premier League footballers coming on after a joint at half time? They would sit down and stroke the turf and say "wow - great lawn! I wish I could get a finish like this at home, man....'!






 
 
 
 


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  # 1668184 11-Nov-2016 17:23
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MikeAqua:

 

I would be happy to see cannabis legalised subject to controls: -

 

- Age, time and place limits for purchase (like alcohol).

 

- Formulated to a known strength which is displayed on the packet (like alcohol).

 

- Not able to be used in any inhaled form in any public space or business premises - no passive exposure of bystanders to cannabis. 

 

- Taxed heavily (like alcohol).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Except it you could grow it yourself easily enough so no tax! :)

 

 


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  # 1668281 11-Nov-2016 21:13
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MikeAqua:

 

I would be happy to see cannabis legalised subject to controls: -

 

- Age, time and place limits for purchase (like alcohol).

 

- Formulated to a known strength which is displayed on the packet (like alcohol).

 

- Not able to be used in any inhaled form in any public space or business premises - no passive exposure of bystanders to cannabis. 

 

- Taxed heavily (like alcohol).

 

 

 

 

What's the use if it is taxed heavily, It should be available in close supervision and prior permission especially if you are experiencing some ailments.


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This thread trigger a memory about a past event a mate back in the UK had.

 

He spotted two guys trying to break into a neighbours house and like a good citizen, he chased the pair away. Got back to his house and phoned the police who duly arrived a few hours later. The copper came into his house and my mate offered him a coffee and asked the officer to make himself comfy on the couch. My mate returned with coffee and biscuits then proceeded to give whatever info he could to the guy. About half way through this, my mate suddenly noticed sitting on the coffee table between him and the officer was his pet baby cannabis plant. Suddenly my mate starts to believe in god and starts praying internally for his saviour. It ended with the copper thanking him for the coffee, biscuits and supplied info, said have a good day and went away.having either not noticed what the plant was or just totally ignoring it.




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This thread trigger a memory about a past event a mate back in the UK had.

 

He spotted two guys trying to break into a neighbours house and like a good citizen, he chased the pair away. Got back to his house and phoned the police who duly arrived a few hours later. The copper came into his house and my mate offered him a coffee and asked the officer to make himself comfy on the couch. My mate returned with coffee and biscuits then proceeded to give whatever info he could to the guy. About half way through this, my mate suddenly noticed sitting on the coffee table between him and the officer was his pet baby cannabis plant. Suddenly my mate starts to believe in god and starts praying internally for his saviour. It ended with the copper thanking him for the coffee, biscuits and supplied info, said have a good day and went away.having either not noticed what the plant was or just totally ignoring it.

 

 

 

 

When I was at boarding school, our cleaner Mary (always get to know your cleaners, gardeners etc when living in an institutional environment!) once reported my "cannabis" plant to my housemaster.

 

Much amusement when it was identified as a Marigold...!








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Now even the UK is having a serious discussion about it - and how it could raise the equivalent of NZ$2 billion in tax every year.






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