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#1672574 17-Nov-2016 09:58

I popped up to Waiau yesterday to the family bach and the structure is sound there was a lot of damage, I would say most wall linings will needing replacing, a lot of contents lost. Houses all around us are marked for demolition as being unsafe.

Please give some support to those in Waiau, if you are donating food please remember that pet food is also needed as pets are all some people have left after this and they are often easily forgotten during a crisis.

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#1672587 17-Nov-2016 10:10

tdgeek:

We bought another home 8 months ago. The lawyer said if there was an EQ, its our claim after signing S+P. That implies to me that there wasn't an option for the insurer (Lumley via Westpac) to cancel the policy given yesterdays announcement. Is that true for existing S+P as at yesterday, or is it more for the auction tomorrow?

They can't retrospectively cancel a policy which has been issued. They can however cancel any policies giving only 7 days notice, and are not required to give a reason for policy cancellation.

If they started doing this, then it would be rather bad for future business (understatement). However, they could decide that they don't want future business, cancel policies, and withdraw from the market. In the case of IAG for example, if they did that in NZ, then I expect policy holders in Aus would react and leave in droves, so it's very very unlikely.

They (IAG etc) will have fixed term / fixed cover (many billion $$$) reinsurance contracts in place. The reinsurers can't cancel out on those, but they sure as hell can send a signal down the line that if IAG for example doesn't do what they say, they won't roll over contracts and won't offer new contracts. That would effectively mean no private eq insurance for NZ. The consequence of that would be massive. Obviously the insurers don't want that to happen either, so they'll do exactly what they're told.

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#1672628 17-Nov-2016 11:13

@BTR, yes, you'd be forgiven for thinking that only Kaikoura and the road/railway were screwed by this disaster with the unbalanced coverage on the media.

I've been thru Waiau before, it's a nice little place.

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#1672653 17-Nov-2016 11:41

There's months of work to be done on SH1 quite apart from the major slips. Sure with bulldozers and graders it might be possible to build a road suitable for Landrovers and Nissan Patrols, quite another thing a road that will be good enough for cars and hundreds of heavy trucks every week.

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#1672662 17-Nov-2016 11:56

I wonder how soon they'll start getting some diggers and trucks in? Seems best to start at both the north and south and work your way to the middle.

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#1672672 17-Nov-2016 12:06

I heard the News reporting that Mr Key doesn't think SH1 could be restored to prequake route because the mountain had moved.

Djmixerdomo

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#1672716 17-Nov-2016 12:26

My desktop wallpaper just changed as I was reading this thread:

A road like this would be less affected by slips but I'd image it would take ages to build and cost a fortune, we're not Japan.

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Fred99

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#1672717 17-Nov-2016 12:27

amiga500:

There's months of work to be done on SH1 quite apart from the major slips. Sure with bulldozers and graders it might be possible to build a road suitable for Landrovers and Nissan Patrols, quite another thing a road that will be good enough for cars and hundreds of heavy trucks every week.

And they are going to have to do something about those major slips. Compared to say the cliff collapse in Chch at Clifton. They've been working for many months stabilising that rubble, it's very small compared to the scale of one of those slips on the Kaikoura coast, and the road that they're trying to protect is ~100m back from the original face.

At this stage I wouldn't expect too much planning - but plenty of head scratching and wonder about how to even begin to fix that road.

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#1672742 17-Nov-2016 12:51

freitasm:

We're working from home this week, which I think is a good decision. The company is waiting for a second check on the building, which I also think is a good decision...

Also working from home this week and potentially some of next week.

We're in one of the less affected Centreport buildings so there's cosmetic damage to tidy up and so on. Easier to do it without tripping over staff.

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#1672748 17-Nov-2016 12:58

Bung:

DarthKermit: Quotable Value says that building at 61 Molesworth Street, Wellington was built in 1960.

Other sources say designed in 1961, completed and occupied Feb 1965. One Council publication gets it wrong saying x 1970 for ICI and Vogel buildings.

I'm always amused by the vagueness of real estate descriptions "circa 1960" as if there's no record.

I think by and large they do the best they can. QV say my house was built sometime 1914-1929 which is nowhere near correct. A second storey was added sometime between 1910-1920 but the original house itself was built sometime around 1853 - well before records existed. My house survived the great quake of 1855 with only minor damage (change of angle of a wall) which is fixed but still visible. While I wasn't too worried about the house itself during the shaking I was very worried about our high brick chimney which seems, fortunately, not to have suffered any damage at all.

nzpilot1181

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#1672754 17-Nov-2016 13:05

In terms of communication in Kaikoura and surrounding districts - I'd be interested to know how many, if any, were able to get communication out by using amateur radio? As an ex member of Coastguard I have a VHF set installed in the car - was thinking of removing it but thought it may just come in quite useful in the event of another major disaster where landlines and cellphone towers are knocked out.

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#1672755 17-Nov-2016 13:05

Djmixerdomo:

My desktop wallpaper just changed as I was reading this thread:

A road like this would be less affected by slips but I'd image it would take ages to build and cost a fortune, we're not Japan.

Id love to see how that road copes with the earth rising and dropping meters in some places. Im unsure if Japan had that occur during their quakes. Its hard to imagine what would withstand the ground separating, rising and falling.

Nothing is "Earthquake Proof"

DarthKermit

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#1672758 17-Nov-2016 13:12

However old 61 Molesworth Street is exactly, I don't know. It was obviously not built to modern earthquake standards. So be it.

I can't believe that the Defence HQ which is only a few years old could be out of action for up to a year. Someone needs to do some serious reflection on WTF went wrong there. I saw a picture of the inside of the place, it's another damned building with a suspended false ceiling.

Have you guys seen how services like aircon ducts, sprinkler pipes, cable trays, etc are usually suspended up in those ceiling spaces? Flimsy little metal rods and things anchored into the concrete roof above them. If a single point of failure like that is enough to knock any critical building out of action for an extended period, the whole system of fastening needs drastic improvement!

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#1672774 17-Nov-2016 13:28

DarthKermit:

I saw a picture of the inside of the place, it's another damned building with a suspended false ceiling.

Any pictures to share?

DarthKermit

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#1672783 17-Nov-2016 13:40

TimA:

DarthKermit:

I saw a picture of the inside of the place, it's another damned building with a suspended false ceiling.

Any pictures to share?

https://twitter.com/CDF_NZ/status/798417007641296897/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Typical modern office building layout by the looks.

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