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  # 1691770 18-Dec-2016 15:28
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MikeB4: One thing I should say. I am not against medicinal cannabis if it is tested and treated and controlled the same way as any other medication.

 

I kind of agree, but think medicinal cannabis should not only be available via a GP's prescription, but that GP's can also allow terminally ill to be immune from prosecution for growing it or consuming it for their own purposes.

 

In the current environment, where the Minister allows a cannabis prescription to proceed the only product available is very expensive and not subsidised by Pharmac thus making it too expensive for some terminal patients.


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  # 1691771 18-Dec-2016 15:32
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blakamin:

 

Geektastic:

 

 

 

You might have been 21 just last weekend...! wink

 

 

 

 

I wish!!! That was over half a lifetime away!

 

 

 

 

I know the feeling!! cry






 
 
 
 


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  # 1692148 19-Dec-2016 12:25
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networkn:

 

God, another thread about legalising drugs, because well, you know, the others were so constructive and everyone showed such respect for each other.

 

 

networkn:

 

LOL, really? Because WEED is the single most important issue facing NZ right now? 

 

Give me strength!

 

 

networkn:

 

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that every comment made in a thread, had to be made in support of the OP's position? 

 

To address your question, obviously, it must be the most important issue she believes needs solving despite the crazy small numbers of affected people compared to superannuation or raising the retirement age which would affect everyone, otherwise, she would wouldn't vote for a party soley because they support it. Surely I am entitled to question her opinions if I find them incredible?

 

Anyways, it's clear that anyone espousing a different opinion to yours isn't welcome here, so on that note, have fun, I'm out!

 

 

And you wonder why threads like this go sour........


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  # 1692150 19-Dec-2016 12:30
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Satch:

 

 

 

And you wonder why threads like this go sour........

 

 

Heh, well that was very selective. 


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  # 1692156 19-Dec-2016 12:44
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networkn:

 

Satch:

 

 

 

And you wonder why threads like this go sour........

 

 

Heh, well that was very selective. 

 

 

They were your first three posts.  And very aggressive posts which tend to derail threads like this.  Just making you aware.

 

I also thought you had opted out of this discussion as per your third post?


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  # 1692167 19-Dec-2016 12:57
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networkn:

 

Anyways, it's clear that anyone espousing a different opinion to yours isn't welcome here, so on that note, have fun, I'm out!

 

 

Out!

 

But, wait ... let's fast forward ...

 

networkn:

 

 And you wonder why threads like this go sour........

 

 

After an appeal to the third umpire ...

 

Not out!


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  # 1692293 19-Dec-2016 16:54
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This will be interesting:

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11769688

 

 

 

From that, they should be able to extrapolate a better figure on % seizure of drugs like methamphetamine on the "war on drugs".  IIRC they "think" they probably seize about 20%.

 

I wondered why they test for creatinine, I guess it's to give a baseline approx % urine in the sewage streams, but even that seems odd if they're trying to assess total volume.

 

I hope they publish the results.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1692309 19-Dec-2016 17:12
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"Police say the results, which can't be traced to individuals, will improve their understating of drug use in the population."





I don't think there is ever a bad time to talk about how absurd war is, how old men make decisions and young people die. - George Clooney
 


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  # 1692342 19-Dec-2016 18:38
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Rikkitic:

 

"Police say the results, which can't be traced to individuals, will improve their understating of drug use in the population."

 

 

 

 

If the Perth figure is consistent with NZ, then that's indicative that the "drug economy" for methamphetamine alone in NZ is somewhere around $3-4 billion at claimed "street price".  A quick google tells me that street price is 4x higher in NZ than what users claim to be paying in the USA, not sure if that's a result of exaggeration by police of street price to try and get harsher sentences in court, or if it's true.

 

It must be a very attractive market if prices are so high.  No wonder the evil stuff is rife in NZ - at least based on quantities seized.


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  # 1692348 19-Dec-2016 19:13
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I was actually referring to the typo but apart from that, I am convinced that if people want something that badly, they will do whatever it takes to obtain it. Whatever the price, they will find a way to pay it, along with a lot of violence and bloodshed on the way.

 

I think meth is dangerous, nasty stuff. No way can it be compared to marijuana. But I honestly believe that the lesser of evils, and the evil here is a big one, is finding some way to regulate and legally distribute the stuff in a manner that minimises the damage, while working hard to get rid of the demand for it altogether. Maybe in a legalised environment the most addicted users could be eased onto less dangerous substances. I don't know exactly how that might work, or if it would work, I just know that the current approach isn't working. All it is doing is keeping the scale of the problem partly hidden so people on their way to work don't realise how completely out of control it really is. Anyone who thinks the zombie plague cannot really happen hasn't seen what meth can do to people. It isn't going to get better or go away on its own.

 

 





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  # 1692354 19-Dec-2016 19:35
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Frankly I think this is kind of weird. It's clearly a major health issue. That is something it would be vastly more productive to have examined by the ministry of health and health policy created accordingly.

Ask any public service/hospital health professional. They know it's a major issue and policy is lagging by decades at best.

The police can knock the edges off every now and again but that's about it. As long as demand exists supply will not be a problem.

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  # 1692483 19-Dec-2016 22:24
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Just on the face of it, the police testing sewage for drug use is all kinds of strange..!






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  # 1692547 20-Dec-2016 06:16
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loceff13:

 

I don't mind if it's made legal but what does that mean for workplace health and safety? Still stay a banned substance as it impairs people? 

 

 

You can't get pissed and go to work or drive can you?

 

There are arguments about "won't somebody think of the children" weed would have to be treated the same as alcohol.

 

"my mate smokes $200 a week in dope" well he has a problem, the same as an alcoholic has a problem.

 

No one is saying lets make it legal so we can all drive around stoned with a baked 6 year old in the back seat, you wouldn't do that with alcohol, so you wouldn't do that with marijuana.

 

Personally I smoke very, very rarely maybe once a year if that, but I think that legalisation and taxation is the way forward.


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