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#1694057 22-Dec-2016 21:51

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Some people like to bitch and moan about the UFB rollout here in NZ. Sounds like we have got a pretty good technology rollout compared to you guys however.

(We got UFB at our house back in Feb 2016.)

I like to because according to Chorus' map, our address is not included in the roll out. So, despite being a mere 2 km from the centre of the village and only 80km from the nation's capital, we will never get fibre. Nor are we included in the Rural Broadband roll out...

Indeed, according to Chorus' map address system, my house is actually in Ponatahi, a completely different place some 20km away from where my house actually is!

You might get it in the next phase if the changes to allow fibre on overhead powerlines goes through. I'm hoping I will at some point: there's fibre feeding the cabinet I'm on so it would be completely doable.

That would be interesting.

I recall that being suggested in the UK some time ago and someone threw a big spanner in the works by pointing out that the electricity companies had statutory powers for the electricity and that their wayleaves and easements related to that - and that they in fact had no statutory powers relating to internet cables, so could only use the network for that if each individual landowner consented and they would have to negotiate payments without the backdrop of compulsion (as they would be able to use compulsory powers for electricity so negotiation is carried out in light of that).

I left the UK before it ever came to a head so I do not know how it was resolved if it ever was.

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#1694058 22-Dec-2016 21:56

This is quite old but funny, and explains some basics of the Labor vs Liberal government NBN directions.

https://youtu.be/b-6E5yX1E0U

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#1694138 23-Dec-2016 07:59

My daughter lives in Randwick, in Sydney. They are on the "NBN" via a DSL connection with Optus.

It has to be the worst Internet service I have ever seen since dial-up.

It's slow. I mean less than 1mbps second slow - unless you're up after midnight or online before 6am. Then you might get 12mbps in bursts. Maybe.

Urban New Zealand is much better.......insanely much better.

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#1694145 23-Dec-2016 08:10

Geektastic:

That would be interesting.

I recall that being suggested in the UK some time ago and someone threw a big spanner in the works by pointing out that the electricity companies had statutory powers for the electricity and that their wayleaves and easements related to that - and that they in fact had no statutory powers relating to internet cables, so could only use the network for that if each individual landowner consented and they would have to negotiate payments without the backdrop of compulsion (as they would be able to use compulsory powers for electricity so negotiation is carried out in light of that).

I left the UK before it ever came to a head so I do not know how it was resolved if it ever was.

The government could have legislated fibre as an essential service and that would have allowed homes and businesses to be connected as of right.

But they were loath to take away (non-Maori) property rights, so in NZ you could only get fibre laid on a shared access with the agreement of all property owners.....including the two in Beijing who never answer any emails.

The fibre roll-out rapidly ground to a halt anywhere that has achieved higher density....which pretty much matched the target areas for the rollout.

The government has proposed / passed(?) a temporary law lasting more or less until the date they were supposed to achieve the roll-out target allowing an expedited process for laying fibre in places where consent was an issue. But if you read the fine print it won't actually change anything much.

Why they made such a big investment without actually supporting it IN REALITY is typical of the lack of thought that has gone into so much that this government does - from getting rid of housing in a housing crisis, to selling off half of power utilities who now refuse to meet previous promises to stop burning fossil fuels at Huntly and elsewhere.

It's a complete mess from start to finish.....but fixable at the next election.

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#1694202 23-Dec-2016 09:43

Linuxluver:

My daughter lives in Randwick, in Sydney. They are on the "NBN" via a DSL connection with Optus.

It has to be the worst Internet service I have ever seen since dial-up.

It's slow. I mean less than 1mbps second slow - unless you're up after midnight or online before 6am. Then you might get 12mbps in bursts. Maybe.

Urban New Zealand is much better.......insanely much better.

12mbps is a waste of a good VDSL connection... or fibre. God knows what NBNco were thinking by offering the 12/1 performance tier as an option, but it seems to be very popular - some estimates put the proportion of NBN customers on the lowest 12/1 performance tier at about 30%. It doesn't help that NBNco limit the power levels for the first 18 months on newly-installed cabinets to try to prevent mid-span injection issues before exchange-based services get decommissioned.

But things could be worse. A few years ago I was looking at rentals in Melbourne and wondering why I could rent a near-new house in the fairly new suburbs of Tarneit or Truganina ridiculously cheaply... until I realised that apart from having atrocious public transport, you generally can't get ADSL1 or 2 (unless you're "lucky" enough to be connected to a RIM cabinet which gives you ADSL1 services) because the Laverton exchange is full. 3G or 4G data isn't really an option because the towers are congested because nobody can get ADSL, which leaves you with dial-up. Even in 2013 that was just ridiculous.

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#1694287 23-Dec-2016 11:43

Linuxluver:

so in NZ you could only get fibre laid on a shared access with the agreement of all property owners.....including the two in Beijing who never answer any emails.

The system SHOULD work something like:

The party requesting fibre submits a notice, and a letter is sent to any shared access property owners with instructions on how to object and a deadline.

Objections have to be lodged by a certain date. No response is implied acceptance and waiver of later objection.

Objections must be able to demonstrably fall into certain pre-defined categories (like, say, it would cause significant interference to another property or have an effect on it's value) and cannot be for arbitrary reasons.

No valid objection in a reasonable time = OK to proceed. For any disagreement it should be possible to use the Disputes Tribunal to obtain a binding judgement which should stop vexatious neighbors, NIMBYs and nothing better to do busy bodies from stopping things dead.

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#1694292 23-Dec-2016 11:54

My Mum is having HFC put into her apartment at Bondi next week. She has to be home the whole week apparently. Like thats a large time frame.

She will confirm with me her speeds but currently her "good adsl connection" is running around 6-10Mb/s... When she left for Aussie we had 100/35 VDSL. She was shocked to say the least. But grateful as it could be worse.

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#1695186 26-Dec-2016 16:46

ajobbins:

Not sure if that means a box swap or not for those who have Foxtel

If it's anything like ours, you'll have a splitter after your cable wall plate and one cable to a cable modem and another to your foxtel box.

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#1695225 26-Dec-2016 17:50

blakamin:

If it's anything like ours, you'll have a splitter after your cable wall plate and one cable to a cable modem and another to your foxtel box.

Yes, but unsure if the signal is different (technically) from a sat feed, meaning that current Foxtel customers with a sat box may need a different one to receive over cable?

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#1695229 26-Dec-2016 17:56

ajobbins:

blakamin:

If it's anything like ours, you'll have a splitter after your cable wall plate and one cable to a cable modem and another to your foxtel box.

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Yes, but unsure if the signal is different (technically) from a sat feed, meaning that current Foxtel customers with a sat box may need a different one to receive over cable?

Ahhh.. I didn't realise you only had a sat feed atm. If your new feed comes on cable you'll need a new box.

It seems they have separate boxes for sat and cable.

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