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  # 1746399 23-Mar-2017 13:33
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frankv:

 

I don't know about violent crime in general. But the Dunedin Study is fairly clear that in domestic violence (a) women initiate it about as much as men, and (b) perpetrators are usually also victims.

 

In this context, labelling the male species [sic] as "shockingly violent" is neither morally responsible nor facing reality. Instead, it leads to males being locked up by default, skewing statistics, and perpetuating the myth. To add insult to injury, any number of TV campaigns and study groups and melodrama and exaggeration and white ribbons won't actually change things. And there's a whole industry that depends on this myth for funding.

 

 

 

I don't know what context that you need to establish that NZ males on average are indeed shockingly violent compared to NZ females. Anyone who cares to try will find out the truth very quickly. On the assumption that you genuinely don't know how to do it, let me help you. Go to nzdotstat.stats.govt.nz, then look for "justice" on the left side of the screen, then choose either calendar or fiscal year.  I ran an inquiry based on adults convicted in court and showing the most serious offence on which they were sentenced, filtered by gender of the convicted, and selected "homicides and related offences", "acts intended to cause injury", "abduction, harassment and other offences against the person" and "robbery, extortion, and other related offences" and deliberately did not select anything to do with sexual assaults/rapes, knowing that such stats will likely overwhelmingly skew the numbers against males.

 

And guess what I found? Some "highlights" for the lovely NZ males include such stats:

 

  • In 2016, 50,294 males were sentenced (as their most serious offences) on crimes within these categories; 14,025 females were. I'll let you work out the proportions.
  • In 2015, the numbers were 49,318 and 14,018.
  • In fact, the proportions of males so sentenced compared to females are typically factors of 2 to 3 at least, at times many, many times more.

Nah, NZ males aren't shockingly violent compared to females. Keep pretending that this is a myth. Sorry for your butthurt.

 

 

 

No butthurt here. *I* am not violent. I am not responsible for others' actions, whether they're the same gender as me or not.

 

But your methodology is flawed. There's plenty of studies that show that men are more likely to be arrested, more likely to be convicted of a crime, get heavier sentences, etc than women. Using the outcome of the process to justify the process will *always* show that the process is exactly right.

 

Let's do exactly the same, but instead of categorising by gender, I'll categorise by ethnicity.

 

  • In 2016, 26376 Maori people (who make up about 15% of the population). were sentenced (as their most serious offences) on crimes within these categories; 24,068 Europeans were.
  • In fact, the proportions of Maori so sentenced compared to Europeans are factors of [gasp] 7 to 8.

So, by your process, you should conclude that Maori people are really really shockingly violent compared to Europeans. Of course, suggesting this would see you labeled as a racist. So why does doing the same not identify you as misandrist?

 

 


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toejam316:
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toejam316: No one has advised me yet what actions that we're not taking that we should be are

I think that's the first time you've asked.

Luckily thoughts are free then - it's a question I posed earlier, inside a wall of text.

The Sophie Elliot foundation delivers one in partnership with NZ Police:

http://www.sophieelliottfoundation.co.nz/Loves-Me-Not.php

I'm not aware of the precise content but the link gives an overview. It's very early days for these kinds of program, and that's just one example.

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gzt:
toejam316:
gzt:
toejam316: No one has advised me yet what actions that we're not taking that we should be are

I think that's the first time you've asked.

Luckily thoughts are free then - it's a question I posed earlier, inside a wall of text.

The Sophie Elliot foundation delivers one in partnership with NZ Police:

http://www.sophieelliottfoundation.co.nz/Loves-Me-Not.php

I'm not aware of the precise content but the link gives an overview. It's very early days for these kinds of program, and that's just one example.

ACC's Mates and Dates program is another one:

http://www.acc.co.nz/preventing-injuries/at-school/mates-dates/index.htm

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gzt:
gzt:
toejam316:
gzt:
toejam316: No one has advised me yet what actions that we're not taking that we should be are

I think that's the first time you've asked.

Luckily thoughts are free then - it's a question I posed earlier, inside a wall of text.

The Sophie Elliot foundation delivers one in partnership with NZ Police:

http://www.sophieelliottfoundation.co.nz/Loves-Me-Not.php

I'm not aware of the precise content but the link gives an overview. It's very early days for these kinds of program, and that's just one example.

ACC's Mates and Dates program is another one:

http://www.acc.co.nz/preventing-injuries/at-school/mates-dates/index.htm

 

 

Mates and Dates seems like an okay program, but I question how well informed the guy running it is - I overheard him on Radio National, a week or two ago when this debacle began, and one of the things he deemed relevant to bring up (god knows why) was how video games like grand theft auto 5 are encouraging our youth to rape and murder, etc. because those are activities in the game. I can safely say I've never played a video game where rape was a mechanic, nor have I ever considered killing someone because it was a good idea in a game. Bit of a tangent, but there we go.

 

 

The other one, same sort of thing, seems okay, but I'm wary of the fact it ties into a book that existed before the program. And still, at a glance neither of those outline any action we can take, just to ensure that everyone is informed that these actions are bad - I know when I was growing up I knew the do's and don'ts, and so did the people I attended school with, because teaching this kind of thing is already rolled into our physical health education, which begins as early as intermediate school (1st and 2nd form/year 7 and 8).

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I'm guessing it is and it isn't. There are some guidelines, but what is covered and not covered in that area can vary in each school. The experience you had is not necessarily replicated in other schools.

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No only means no if you scream it.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39392147

 

 





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