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  # 1746673 23-Mar-2017 21:06
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As far as "terrorist attacks" go its only the location of it that has made it newsworthy. Driving into a crowd of pedestrians, then sticking a knife in a few people is not really an organized terror attack. Its central London - you could sneeze on the tube and kill more than 4 people. It sounds more like a lone crazy to me.

 

 

 

 

Exactly. Way over hyped IMO. All it's caused for me is panicked family back in NZ. I was in Covent Garden at the time, and apart from more choppers it was London business as usual. The media loves a good terrorism story. 

 

 

 

 

I agree. Before 9/11, and the London tube and bus bombings (which I do consider terror attacks)  this probably wouldn't have been called a 'terrorist attack', but something like 'a mad man causes carnage'. But that wouldn't have got the clicks and headlines as much as a 'terrorist attack'. Stuffs webpage has videos with scary sounding music http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/90758932/london-terror-attack-terrorism-the-city-feared-was-coming , which only causes panic.

 

 

 

I notice that near the end of the story it even says 'At the time of writing this is not a confirmed terror attack', so the media shouldn't even be referring to it as that.

 

 

 

But still obviously very bad what has happened. 

 

 

 

 

The Met Police were treating it as a terrorist attack from the get go, until otherwise proven not, so I think the media had every right to report that.

 

If it had of been phase 1 of a coordinated attack, their immediate response would have saved the lives of many. 


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  # 1746807 24-Mar-2017 08:12
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It was a terrorist act And Islamic State claimed it.






 
 
 
 


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  # 1746820 24-Mar-2017 08:40
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It was a terrorist act And Islamic State claimed it.

 

 

He was a British man (born in Kent in 1964) and as it was clearly a terrorist attack by a Muslim carried out in a manner promoted by ISIL, of course their propaganda wing claimed it.

 

 

 

 


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  # 1746823 24-Mar-2017 08:42
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Geektastic:

 

It was a terrorist act And Islamic State claimed it.

 

 

He was a British man (born in Kent in 1964) and as it was clearly a terrorist attack by a Muslim carried out in a manner promoted by ISIL, of course their propaganda wing claimed it.

 

 

 

 

 

 


What on earth does his place of birth have to do with anything?






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  # 1746829 24-Mar-2017 08:56
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Geektastic:

 

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Geektastic:

 

It was a terrorist act And Islamic State claimed it.

 

 

He was a British man (born in Kent in 1964) and as it was clearly a terrorist attack by a Muslim carried out in a manner promoted by ISIL, of course their propaganda wing claimed it.

 

 

What on earth does his place of birth have to do with anything?

 

 

Far less to some people apparently - if he was British born and raised - than the huge song and dance if he'd happened to have been a refugee.


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  # 1746832 24-Mar-2017 08:59
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It was a terrorist act And Islamic State claimed it.

 

 

 

 

So what? They claim pretty much anything that is good PR. 


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  # 1746834 24-Mar-2017 09:01
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Fred99:

 

Geektastic:

 

Fred99:

 

Geektastic:

 

It was a terrorist act And Islamic State claimed it.

 

 

He was a British man (born in Kent in 1964) and as it was clearly a terrorist attack by a Muslim carried out in a manner promoted by ISIL, of course their propaganda wing claimed it.

 

 

What on earth does his place of birth have to do with anything?

 

 

Far less to some people apparently - if he was British born and raised - than the huge song and dance if he'd happened to have been a refugee.

 

 

Maybe. It's perfectly possible to be born and raised in Britain and not be British in anything but the nationality on your passport. I could show you places there that would cause you to think you were on holiday somewhere entirely different!






 
 
 
 


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Geektastic:

 

It's perfectly possible to be born and raised in Britain and not be British in anything but the nationality on your passport.

 

 

I'm sure it's possible to be British in every visible way to meet your "standards", but still commit an atrocity.


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  # 1746860 24-Mar-2017 10:12
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Geektastic:

 

It's perfectly possible to be born and raised in Britain and not be British in anything but the nationality on your passport.

 

 

I'm sure it's possible to be British in every visible way to meet your "standards", but still commit an atrocity.

 

 

 

 

Possibly but AFAIK it has yet to be the case.






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  # 1746861 24-Mar-2017 10:13
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From the Telegraph

 

 

 

"Police in the northern Belgian city of Antwerp said on Thursday they had detained a man who tried to enter the main pedestrianised shopping street in a car at high speed, adding security in the city would be stepped up.

 

"At about 11 am this morning a vehicle entered De Meir at high speed due to which pedestrians had to jump away," a police spokesman told a news conference, referring to the street name.

 

The Belgian prosecutor's office said a 39 year old man had been arrested and that police found knives, a shotgun and a gas can with an unknown liquid in the car.

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The suspect was named as Mohamed R., a 39-year-old French national of North African origin and living in France.

 

The office said "because of these elements, and the events in London yesterday, the case is being taken on by the federal prosecutor's office," which usually deals with extremist attacks."






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  # 1746957 24-Mar-2017 11:41
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Maybe. It's perfectly possible to be born and raised in Britain and not be British in anything but the nationality on your passport. 

 

 

Oh dear... the "not a real [something]" fallacy. The definition of "British" is "people of Great Britain". He was born there, therefore he is British.

 

Why is it not possible for a British person to be an ISIL sympathiser?

 

This is part of the whole "us" and "them" mentality promoted by the powers that be. They can't afford for us to think that some of "us" (presumably reasonable, rational people) could agree with "them" (wild-eyed terrorists intent on killing all of "us"). The last thing wanted is for us to imagine that there *could* be a reasonable basis to this dispute... much easier to declare a "war"!

 

 


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Geektastic:

 

Fred99:

 

I'm sure it's possible to be British in every visible way to meet your "standards", but still commit an atrocity.

 

 

 

Possibly but AFAIK it has yet to be the case.

 

 

Really??? 

 

Let's start with South Africa and the Boers and concentration camps. Do I need to go further? The list would get *very* long.

 

 


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Geektastic:

 

Fred99:

 

Geektastic:

 

It's perfectly possible to be born and raised in Britain and not be British in anything but the nationality on your passport.

 

 

I'm sure it's possible to be British in every visible way to meet your "standards", but still commit an atrocity.

 

 

 

 

Possibly but AFAIK it has yet to be the case.

 

 

So...

 

His birth name was Adrian Elms.

 

To quote a classmate:

 

 

“He was a smashing guy, really nice chap,” said Stuart Knight, an old classmate at Huntleys school. “The picture of us in the football team was after we did a 24-hour sponsored football match to raise money for the sports hall. We would have been about 14 years old. Everyone got on with Adrian, he was a lovely bloke.”

 


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  # 1748167 26-Mar-2017 17:03
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Brought to you by the religion of peace.

 

 

Many religions have made that claim over centuries, and can rightly continue to claim it as they more often than not promote tolerance, goodwill (eg love your neighbor while accepting their differences peacefully / the golden rule for non-psychopaths ) The problem is because of extremism and online radicalisation not religion in my opinion. Specifically with islam there are various derivatives with the primary ones being known as sunni or shia, and yet there are more unusual ones such as sufism which are about contemplative mystical devotion to artistic and mathematical conceptualisations of god. Extremist outlooks are found within all, just as those same outlooks are found within various branches of buddhism,christianity,hinduism,judaism,rastafarianism,taoism and even atheism or rational humanism. Hatred of islam is precisely what the real perpetrators desire - whoever they are, as this serves the conflict which "hidden actors" want between the "East" and the "West". Terror groups have longterm strategies, financing, and ties to nation states as has been proven time and again by international relations experts, security specialists and ethical investigators and journalists.

 

Copycat terrorism is like a computer virus that self replicates. It needs to be stopped with different tools than the ones which have failed repeatedly in the past eg more war, more revenge, and the stripping away of civil rights in the countries thus afflicted by them. Different tools might be things like international peace negotiations, financial aid, and admittance of war crimes along with communicating openly to those who are targetted for yet more war so that the cycle does not endlessly continue!

 

Questions about this incident that could be asked might include - Why are websites promoting violent extremism allowed to obtain a server in 'the cloud' anywhere? Why are such websites or video clips or social media not instantly deleted or blocked? And why has this lack of international action by authorities been the case for so long? Online radicalisation has been going on since at least the late 90s.

 

The most important thing we can do is to keep calm and carry on as the popular epithet goes, while dutifully expressing outrage at elected officials in charge of defence instead of solely the perpetrators themselves. I think Andrew Neil puts it well in his small speech as found here http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/783357/Andrew-Neil-London-Westminster-attack-monologue-BBC-terror-Churchillian


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I wonder how many people are killed by hit and run incidents/accidents each week in London? A quick Google news search seems to indicate it's something that happens at least once a week. In this respect some context is really needed..

 

 

 

 


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