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  # 1786895 23-May-2017 16:35
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nate:

 

BlueShift:

 

I'd be interested to hear from any employers, especially hospo types like @nate on their views.

 

 

 

 

As an employer, I'd love tipping.  If I took out the wages component of my overheads and just paid my staff a bare minimum (I'm sure in some states in the US, it's $2.50/hour) I'd happily pocket the extra profit.

 

Would I want it here? Not really.

 

If I want good staff, I have to pay them well and create an environment that they want to work in.  We have a tipping jar (which I have detested since the beginning) and once a week all the staff split them.  It's normally a nominal amount, but they're pretty happy with it.

 

 

Just thinking this through.. 

 

Your business has to account for the costs of the employee, this is done by way of product cost.
Product X costs $Y, a portion of which covers the employees wages.

 

If tipping was to become "the norm" in that industry, there would have to be a significant decrease in the prices of those products to account for the customer now having to tip. It would be interesting to see what difference it'd make to product prices (as people have pointed out, it'll mainly effect food/drink industry) and to a businesses overall return.

My guess is it probably works out in the businesses favor, rather than the employee, unless you worked in a high class restaurant or something. The tips would (in theory) be bigger, but the wait staff would likely be paid the same as a not-so-fancy place.






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  # 1786897 23-May-2017 16:37
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SepticSceptic:

 

In the good Ol USA, I don't tip, except for meals. But generally nothing else.

 

Got the occasional funny look, but I just smile and  wave and say I'm from New Zeelund. That confuses them, and I usually get away with it :-)

 

Will tip here in NZ on occasion, where I think service has been very good, but that's few and far between.

 

 

Or if you don't say anything, they'll think your accent is what they call 'British' - the Poms get the blame and NZ doesn't take the rap!


 
 
 
 


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  # 1786905 23-May-2017 16:47
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Aaroona:

 

 

 

If tipping was to become "the norm" in that industry, there should be a significant decrease in the prices of those products to account for the customer now having to tip. It would be interesting to see what difference it'd make to product prices (as people have pointed out, it'll mainly effect food/drink industry) and to a businesses overall return.

 

 

Fixed up one of your words :)  It may not necessarily happen.


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  # 1787111 23-May-2017 21:59
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eracode:

 

SepticSceptic:

 

In the good Ol USA, I don't tip, except for meals. But generally nothing else.

 

Got the occasional funny look, but I just smile and  wave and say I'm from New Zeelund. That confuses them, and I usually get away with it :-)

 

Will tip here in NZ on occasion, where I think service has been very good, but that's few and far between.

 

 

Or if you don't say anything, they'll think your accent is what they call 'British' - the Poms get the blame and NZ doesn't take the rap!

 

 

 

 

Surely even Septics aren't THAT dumb...!cool






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  # 1787112 23-May-2017 22:01
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frankv:

 

Stu: Keeping their job should be the incentive to provide good service.

 

No! No-one should ever be grateful for "keeping their job". Your employer is using your labour to make profit, not providing a social service. You should incentivised by rewards, not the threat of the dole. 

 

You'll want people tugging their forelock next.

 

 

 

 


Sounds reasonable. Especially tradesmen.






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  # 1787113 23-May-2017 22:03
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MikeAqua:

 

When you go to the US you learn to pay in cash to keep things simple ...

 

Otherwise the routine is: -

 

Advise wait staff you are ready to settle up

 

Wait staff bring bill (called a 'check')

 

Hand over credit card

 

Wait staff takes card away

 

Wait staff returns with card and completed docket you enter tip and sign.

 

Usually you can leave at this point as card has been pre-authorised for the check amount plus estimated gratuity.

 

By the time all that palaver is over - I'm thirsty again!

 

One thing I do like about the US - my beer never runs out before another is offered.

 

You could die of thirst in most NZ restaurants before you notice you are out of beer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus they don't want another $6 to fill your coffee cup again...!






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  # 1787114 23-May-2017 22:04
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Tipping in India is worse than the USA.

 

Fortunately the amounts involved are so small it makes little difference, other than requiring a thick wad of money all the time!






 
 
 
 


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  # 1787134 23-May-2017 22:35
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Wiggum:

 

Linuxluver:

 

All the crap we were fed about "high costs" was just that: crap. NZ is cheap...and relatively easy. 

 

 

Wow, what NZ are you living in mate? NZ is far from cheap IMO

 

- Overpriced electricity

 

- Fuel

 

- house prices (and of poor quality)

 

- GST

 

- And overpriced restaurants. Eating out as a family is ridiculously expense nowadays and we have cut it down to not more than every fortnight.

 

I could go on ....... 

 

 

I thought it was clear i was talking about business compliance costs. If it wasn't, that is what I was talking about. We don't have 51 different, conflicting and overlapping  versions of business (and every other sort of) law like they do in the US........ 





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  # 1787172 23-May-2017 23:47
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Aaroona:

 

My guess is it probably works out in the businesses favor, rather than the employee, unless you worked in a high class restaurant or something. The tips would (in theory) be bigger, but the wait staff would likely be paid the same as a not-so-fancy place.

 

 

Probably another reason why Paula Benefit and her buddies at National suggested it was a good idea....

 

I live in the UK, and it is now not uncommon to see some pubs and resturants to note on their menu that a compulsory 12.5% 'service fee' is not included in the bill.  Usually to the point where you actually end up in quite an argument if you refuse to pay it.

 

From my experience this doesn't actually result in any better service from the servers, just surly looks if you under tip, or have the guile to not tip at all.

 

Someone commented a few pages back about not including taxes in ticket prices.  This is an even worse idea.  I hate it when you are in the US and Canada, and your $1.99 item actually costs you $2.39.  Even worse when travelling between some states and provinces, where the sales taxes vary. Especially in states like New Hampshire, which has no sales tax, execpt on food items (or something like that)

 

 


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  # 1787177 24-May-2017 01:02
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NZ is already a pretty expensive place to eat out. Mandatory tipping would make it moreso, because minimum wage won't go away.

 

I will tip for exceptional service, but that's rare. NZers aren't good at service.

 

 

I completely agree with all of this.


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allstarnz:

 

Aaroona:

 

My guess is it probably works out in the businesses favor, rather than the employee, unless you worked in a high class restaurant or something. The tips would (in theory) be bigger, but the wait staff would likely be paid the same as a not-so-fancy place.

 

 

Probably another reason why Paula Benefit and her buddies at National suggested it was a good idea....

 

I live in the UK, and it is now not uncommon to see some pubs and resturants to note on their menu that a compulsory 12.5% 'service fee' is not included in the bill.  Usually to the point where you actually end up in quite an argument if you refuse to pay it.

 

From my experience this doesn't actually result in any better service from the servers, just surly looks if you under tip, or have the guile to not tip at all.

 

Someone commented a few pages back about not including taxes in ticket prices.  This is an even worse idea.  I hate it when you are in the US and Canada, and your $1.99 item actually costs you $2.39.  Even worse when travelling between some states and provinces, where the sales taxes vary. Especially in states like New Hampshire, which has no sales tax, execpt on food items (or something like that)

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think one of the main reasons, is they want to create other issues, to take peoples minds away from the number one election issue. That is the housing crisis.

 

We are also getting other distractions being introduced, such as the selling of NZ water overseas.


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  # 1787217 24-May-2017 08:13
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Geektastic:

 

Plus they don't want another $6 to fill your coffee cup again...!

 

 

OTOH, they hardly ever have espresso. :(

 

 


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  # 1787234 24-May-2017 08:39
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Kathryn Ryan talked yesterday to a tipping expert (yep, there's such a thing!) from Cornell University on the topic; he was clearly sceptical regarding the supposed role of tipping in improving quality of service; he said there was there was far more variability in the range of tips offered BETWEEN people compared to the range of tips paid by individuals - essentially his point was the size of the tip most people leave is typically not related to the quality of service received.


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eracode:

 

 

 

 

 

Or if you don't say anything, they'll think your accent is what they call 'British' - the Poms get the blame and NZ doesn't take the rap!

 

 

I once ate dinner in LA where the waitress offered more and more ridiculous "British" impressions over the course of the meal. Started out quite subtle but eventually we were into "another kipper, guv'nah, wot wot?" territory. I eventually had to ask what she was doing as I genuinely had no idea - thought it was some gimmick of the restaurant. She thought we were English...


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allio:

 

eracode:

 

 

 

 

 

Or if you don't say anything, they'll think your accent is what they call 'British' - the Poms get the blame and NZ doesn't take the rap!

 

 

I once ate dinner in LA where the waitress offered more and more ridiculous "British" impressions over the course of the meal. Started out quite subtle but eventually we were into "another kipper, guv'nah, wot wot?" territory. I eventually had to ask what she was doing as I genuinely had no idea - thought it was some gimmick of the restaurant. She thought we were English...

 

 

... and when they find out you're from NZ, 90% of them say "Oh, I've heard it's so beautiful. I've always wanted to go there". [Sorry OT].


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