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# 214750 26-May-2017 12:37
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A little known fact: US law does not require employers to grant any vacation or holidays, and about 25% of all employees receive no paid vacation time or paid holidays.

The average American got 7.6 paid holidays for full-time employees in small private establishments.

From CNN
http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/24/news/vacation-days-unused/

"Most U.S. employees don't use all of their vacation days, and those who do take a break are increasingly likely to work while doing so, according to a report by job site Glassdoor.

Only 23% of U.S. workers surveyed said they used all of their paid time off in the last 12 months. The average U.S. worker leaves almost half of his or her vacation days on the table.

Those who do manage to get away remain plugged in.

Two in three American employees reported working while on vacation, and more than one in four said they were expected to know what was going on at work while out of the office and had to jump in as needed. One in four also said their boss contacted them about a work-related matter while using paid time off. All of these measures have increased since 2014, Glassdoor said.

Put another way: More and more people are checking their corporate email from the Bahamas.

'We are seeing a push and pull situation when it comes to employees taking vacation and paid time off, in which people attempt to step away from the office for a break from work, but technology is keeping them connected with the simple swipe of a finger,' said Carmel Galvin, Glassdoor chief human resources officer.

Employees also worry that stepping away will make them look dispensable.

'There aren't things like pensions anymore, or lifetime employment,' said Matthew Grawitch, who studies healthy workplaces at St. Louis University. 'Workers feel more anxious about things like job insecurity.' "

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  # 1788846 26-May-2017 17:01
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Sux to be an American.
Slavery is now non racially based by the looks of it....

Americans only seem to travel overseas when the retire - but if they are 'professionals' they seem to retire a bit earlier than we do. (from my non scientific observation)




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  # 1789029 27-May-2017 09:09
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I'm sure that there are plenty of companies in NZ who would like to adopt the US annual leave system.





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  # 1789041 27-May-2017 09:41
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NZ has a fairly low number of days already. My last UK job I had 30 days leave, 13 public holidays and what amounted to unlimited sick leave on full salary.

My brother in the US gets 20 days, but works from about 7 am to 7 pm the rest of the time. As he says, if you're there, it is what it is. His $25k bonus probably eases the pain.





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  # 1789048 27-May-2017 10:01
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I find it quite sad - given how progressive they like to consider themselves.

 

 

My old employer had six weeks annual leave as standard plus a seventh if you were a shift worker and worked 10(+) sundays per calendar year.

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  # 1789049 27-May-2017 10:02
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Geektastic: NZ has a fairly low number of days already. My last UK job I had 30 days leave, 13 public holidays and what amounted to unlimited sick leave on full salary.

My brother in the US gets 20 days, but works from about 7 am to 7 pm the rest of the time. As he says, if you're there, it is what it is. His $25k bonus probably eases the pain.

 

In NZ here. I get 6 weeks annual leave, accumulate all stat days (whether I work them or not) and 15+ sick days per annum (which are banked).

 

The way I read UK leave entitlements is that all fulltime employees are to have 5.6 weeks of annual leave per annum, which can include bank holidays... so really the entitlements between the UK and NZ are very similar. As with any job in any country employees/employers can negotiate their contracts/leave entitlements as they see fit.


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  # 1789096 27-May-2017 12:04
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kingjj:

In NZ here. .... accumulate all stat days (whether I work them or not).



How do you accumulate statutory holidays? I am under the impression the Holidays Act species how statutory holidays can be managed.




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  # 1789097 27-May-2017 12:07
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In my previous job, a US based company with the NZ business unit run out of Australia, I eventually got to a point where I only took a few days of leave each year, never more than two days in a row, and spent significant time dealing with emails while on leave. On the positive side the accumulation of unused leave gave me a nice payout upon leaving that job.

 

Moving to an NZ based organisation in which statutory leave provisions are respected has turned my life around, although after being overworked for so long I have to admit that the concept of having a life outside of work is something that has taken me a while to get my head around. I think I'm finally starting to embrace it.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1789100 27-May-2017 12:17
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BlinkyBill:
kingjj:

 

In NZ here. .... accumulate all stat days (whether I work them or not).

 



How do you accumulate statutory holidays? I am under the impression the Holidays Act species how statutory holidays can be managed.

 

We work rotating shifts so working stat days is hit and miss (and changes year on year). Our contract allows for all shift workers to accumulate stat days whether they work them or not so no one is disadvantaged through their roster. We do not automatically get stat days off so usual provisions for working on the day apply.


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  # 1790275 27-May-2017 15:54
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kingjj:

BlinkyBill:
kingjj:


In NZ here. .... accumulate all stat days (whether I work them or not).




How do you accumulate statutory holidays? I am under the impression the Holidays Act species how statutory holidays can be managed.


We work rotating shifts so working stat days is hit and miss (and changes year on year). Our contract allows for all shift workers to accumulate stat days whether they work them or not so no one is disadvantaged through their roster. We do not automatically get stat days off so usual provisions for working on the day apply.

thanks. Is there a maximum accumulation limit you are subject to - for example, you could only accumulate up to 20 days, or something like that?




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  # 1790391 27-May-2017 19:53
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BlinkyBill:
kingjj:

 

BlinkyBill:
kingjj:

 

 

 

In NZ here. .... accumulate all stat days (whether I work them or not).

 

 

 



How do you accumulate statutory holidays? I am under the impression the Holidays Act species how statutory holidays can be managed.

 

 

 

We work rotating shifts so working stat days is hit and miss (and changes year on year). Our contract allows for all shift workers to accumulate stat days whether they work them or not so no one is disadvantaged through their roster. We do not automatically get stat days off so usual provisions for working on the day apply.

 

thanks. Is there a maximum accumulation limit you are subject to - for example, you could only accumulate up to 20 days, or something like that?

 

Total across most leave types bar sick leave is currently 50 days. Stat days expire after 12 months. Some other leave types have different expires.


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  # 1790455 28-May-2017 08:36
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kingjj:

Geektastic: NZ has a fairly low number of days already. My last UK job I had 30 days leave, 13 public holidays and what amounted to unlimited sick leave on full salary.

My brother in the US gets 20 days, but works from about 7 am to 7 pm the rest of the time. As he says, if you're there, it is what it is. His $25k bonus probably eases the pain.


In NZ here. I get 6 weeks annual leave, accumulate all stat days (whether I work them or not) and 15+ sick days per annum (which are banked).


The way I read UK leave entitlements is that all fulltime employees are to have 5.6 weeks of annual leave per annum, which can include bank holidays... so really the entitlements between the UK and NZ are very similar. As with any job in any country employees/employers can negotiate their contracts/leave entitlements as they see fit.



I've never seen a UK white collar job where public holidays are part of annual leave.

Mind you, as a self employed person I get no paid leave, so that's sobering.





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  # 1790510 28-May-2017 09:05
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It is common. For 4 weeks they put 28 days including bank holidays in the contract.  4 weeks + 8 bank holidays.


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  # 1790527 28-May-2017 09:48
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Geektastic:
kingjj:

Geektastic: NZ has a fairly low number of days already. My last UK job I had 30 days leave, 13 public holidays and what amounted to unlimited sick leave on full salary.

My brother in the US gets 20 days, but works from about 7 am to 7 pm the rest of the time. As he says, if you're there, it is what it is. His $25k bonus probably eases the pain.


In NZ here. I get 6 weeks annual leave, accumulate all stat days (whether I work them or not) and 15+ sick days per annum (which are banked).


The way I read UK leave entitlements is that all fulltime employees are to have 5.6 weeks of annual leave per annum, which can include bank holidays... so really the entitlements between the UK and NZ are very similar. As with any job in any country employees/employers can negotiate their contracts/leave entitlements as they see fit.



I've never seen a UK white collar job where public holidays are part of annual leave.

Mind you, as a self employed person I get no paid leave, so that's sobering.

The Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971 defines UK Bank Holidays. Normally there are 8 days for any one of the countries, slight variations. The Act does not guarantee a paid holiday day on a Bank Holiday, so it is standard practice to include Bank Holidays, where paid leave, in the employment contract.

It would be a pretty unusual agreement in the U.K. where the 13 country variants were applied to an employee domiciled in one country. Standard practice would be, e.g. if resident in England you would get the English variants only, Scotland the Scottish ones, etc.




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  # 1790537 28-May-2017 10:15
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Check out their sick leave laws or lack of them.

 

 

 

United States. The United States does not currently require that employees have access to paid sick days to address their own short-term illnesses or the short-term illness of a family member. The U.S. does guarantee unpaid leave for serious illnesses through the Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA).


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  # 1790546 28-May-2017 10:42
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lxsw20:

It is common. For 4 weeks they put 28 days including bank holidays in the contract.  4 weeks + 8 bank holidays.



Well in 20 years I never met anyone who suffered that restriction.





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