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  Reply # 1796905 8-Jun-2017 20:22
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 Schools are basicly mini dictatorships or banana republic's, both in the way they are organised, and run. Most have uniforms, which are expensive and poor quality. And which don't allow you to dress appropriately for the seasons. Things like only allowing shorts in the middle of winter. They have their own sets of arbitrary rules, that they can change or add to at any time.

 

A good example of all of this was my former high school. One particularly cold winter, a 400Amp main fuse blew. Due to too much heating load from the prefab classrooms that only had electric heaters. The solution - no more electric heaters, you can freeze. But the offices that housed the admin staff had their electric heaters going, despite that building also having radiator central heating. They were too lazy to do an electricity audit, to get rid of electric heaters in buildings that had central heating. And to check for any other obvious power wasters. That would have allowed the prefab classrooms to be able to continue to use their electric heaters. It made me think of the ruling classes in a dictatorship living in luxury. While the commoners suffer and live with day to day struggles.  

 

The other issue is that there are laws that say that you must attend school. So any analogies comparing schools to say supermarkets, a workplace ect. Are not valid.






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  Reply # 1796908 8-Jun-2017 20:28
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As a teacher who HAS both ADHD and a son in my class with ADHD (in a primary school )I feel that these are a wonderful toy when used appropriately, but incredibly distracting when the rest of the class is trying to work. As toys in the playground, not a problem, as motivational learning tools in a specifically crafted lesson, awesome!
But as a distraction for the whole class who are trying to focus on a lesson, or a follow up task, they are just as useless as any other toy/tool used in the wrong way or place!

Just like you wouldn't want loud music in a library, or a screwdriver when putting in nails... each to their own place and not in the other?

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1796974 8-Jun-2017 23:41
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I cannot imagine what would have happened in any school I attended if we had got toys out to play with in class.

 

Immediate confiscation until the end of term for sure - at the very least. Even talking out of turn was likely to have consequences. We had a maths teacher who would frequently make us go down the fire escape and run 'round the cricket nets' (about 400 metres at a guess) in all weathers to 'wake us up' if he thought too many people were yawning or not paying attention.

 

A common behavioural modification technique for poor class attention, mucking about or what have you was something called 'Satis Facit' (Latin - to make satisfactory): This meant being given a small pocketbook by the headmaster which you were required to carry at all times. Every lesson, you put it on the Master's desk and at the end of the lesson, he wrote comments on your work and behaviour. Each week you took the book to the Headmaster who would review it and decide if you had improved sufficiently to be taken off it. Any Master could demand the book at any time of day or night if they caught you doing something you should not be doing, and note that in the book.

 

Toys in class? I think not!






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  Reply # 1796978 8-Jun-2017 23:58
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That explains a lot of your posts. You poor man.

 

 





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  Reply # 1796979 9-Jun-2017 00:02
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Rikkitic:

 

That explains a lot of your posts. You poor man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you say so.

 

I think it was generally considered by both parents and staff that we were at school to learn. Discipline and routine was designed accordingly!






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  Reply # 1797049 9-Jun-2017 08:50
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joker97:

 

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Aside from marbles, I've never heard of any of those either!

 

 

 

Yoyo's

 

 

 

 

I always had my ups and downs with those things

 

 

Only goes down for me

 

 

 

 

Sounds like you only had a "Yo" then...





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  Reply # 1797061 9-Jun-2017 08:59
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Back in my day you had it taken off you until the end of term and usually received 6 of the best either the Strap or the Cane or you spent lunchtime picking up rubbish personally they should just bring that back nowadays kids know you can't do squat to them so they just continue to misbehave regardless  





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  Reply # 1797081 9-Jun-2017 09:37
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joker97:

 

Rikkitic:

 

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Good on them. School is for education.

 

 

GOOD-ON-THEM. SCHOOL-IS-FOR-MINDLESS-CONFORMITY.

 

 

 

 

More like school is for free childcare by people employed by the govt under the guise of teaching but what I can say from experience in schooling is that

 

- fewer kids conform than non conform

 

- more don't listen to their teachers than do

 

Maybe kids should be sent to compulsory army training. That'll make up for the lack of corporal punishment.

 

 

Typical of many schools Ban things because of a few problems set the rules because a small majority cause problems Schools are for Children we should be encouraging creativity and thinking outside the square. Quite typical of society (this will get some of you going)

 

Having been involved in the school system for 40+ years we seem to want to have the rules to make it easier for teachers. Simple you break the rule you get a yellow card. I believe classrooms should be open all day for students to be in. (Yes Lunch Intervals etc) There are many students who like to have a quiet and safe place to spend their breaks not all want to run around outside all the time. I tried this at several of the schools I was at but soon teachers complained it was to difficult to supervise while on duty so the usual happened Ban it. I have seen students being creative with marbles and BEYBlades and many other activities but because of a few problems we ban them. Its time education grew up. I would suggest that that 90% plus of our students are wonderful young human beings and if we take aside those who are causing concern and talked and LISTENED to them we could resolve most issues

 

 


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  Reply # 1797087 9-Jun-2017 09:46
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Yes - every child has different needs and different ways to get the best out of them, at different times! 

 

Unfortunately school isn't funded or set up to allow for that. Nor will it be possible to cater for 100% children 100% of the time even if you have unlimited resources.

 

Don't know what the solution is - one way is to have the parent being the shadow teacher to facilitate their children's education. But not all parents are able to do that for various reasons.


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  Reply # 1797155 9-Jun-2017 10:58
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joker97:

 

Yes - every child has different needs and different ways to get the best out of them, at different times! 

 

Unfortunately school isn't funded or set up to allow for that. Nor will it be possible to cater for 100% children 100% of the time even if you have unlimited resources.

 

Don't know what the solution is - one way is to have the parent being the shadow teacher to facilitate their children's education. But not all parents are able to do that for various reasons.

 

 

 

 

The answer is private schools. They can offer different pastoral and academic situations for a smaller subset of parents who consider that their children would benefit from them.






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  Reply # 1797447 9-Jun-2017 19:08
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I just bought 2 of these things off ebay. 


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  Reply # 1797456 9-Jun-2017 19:34
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I haven't read most of this thread. If its a toy, yes, no issue at all. It it gets in the way of education which is what I picked up, thats no good.

 

Many fads have occurred. This is another, let the kids enjoy it, out of school if its an issue. If its not an issue, they can enjoy it at play and at lunch. As long as there play and eat first. 


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  Reply # 1797474 9-Jun-2017 20:32
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meh you guys ain't seen nothin'

 


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  Reply # 1798251 12-Jun-2017 07:45
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meh you guys ain't seen nothin'

 

 

 

 

 

There are these v blogger guys on youtube and heaps of them (Usually 2 14 year old dudes) making custom fidget spinners and reviewing them etc, 10 mins every episode and 100's of videos. Its like MineCraft!






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  Reply # 1798511 12-Jun-2017 14:28
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TimA:

 

joker97:

 

meh you guys ain't seen nothin'

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are these v blogger guys on youtube and heaps of them (Usually 2 14 year old dudes) making custom fidget spinners and reviewing them etc, 10 mins every episode and 100's of videos. Its like MineCraft!

 

 

Wow that would be ridiculous! :)


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