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#215190 16-Jun-2017 10:15
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The "Innovation Center for U.S. Dairy" / "DairyGood" has published the result of 1,000 survey of Americans.

7% believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

While that's funny, their web page about adding sugar to milk is misleading, by paltering: using truthful statements to lead a listener to a false conclusion

"While some have concerns about sweeteners in milk, leading health and nutrition organizations have recognized that the small amounts of added sugars that can be used in nutrient-dense foods, like chocolate milk. For some people, the calories from sugar in flavored milk are a worthwhile trade-off for all of the nutrients milk provides.

In fact, dairy companies have come together to lower sugars in flavored milk available in schools by 38 percent. This lower-sugar, fat-free option has an average of 134 calories per 8 oz., which is only about 30 more calories than white milk."

https://dairygood.org/Content/2014/4-Chocolate-Milk-Myths-Busted

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  #1801979 16-Jun-2017 10:35
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Don't look at the amount of sugar in Lewis Road chocolate milk...!

 

 

 

When I was studying rural land management, I recall a survey in the UK that showed that urban kids actually believed cows produced milk in tetrapaks.






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  #1801981 16-Jun-2017 10:38
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There's now some arguments that whole milk may be better for you than low fat.  Correlation only, possible mechanism that some nutrients in milk are fat soluble, that the ratio of sugar:fat (even though that may be lactose - not added sucrose in flavoured milk etc) contributes to obesity etc.  The apparent flaw in many of the population studies is the same flaw that appears in studies suggesting negative outcomes / higher mortality through use of artificial sweeteners.  They conveniently ignore the fact that of the population using artificial sweeteners, some larger % are diabetic, obese already and have reason to reduce sugar consumption (the hope to avoid the negative health outcome they're being told they're going to get) - or do things I've seen so many times - have a donut or big slab of sweet cake with their coffee - then bung artificial sweetener in their coffee "because they need to diet".

 

Who knows?  Reducing added sugar intake is a no-brainer, but consuming massive quantities of saturated fats just because it seems they aren't as harmful as once thought may be a serious mistake.

 

Almost all industry-funded food studies truly suck - and media reporting on them is shamefully inadequate.


 
 
 
 


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  #1802008 16-Jun-2017 11:11
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Geektastic:

 

Don't look at the amount of sugar in Lewis Road chocolate milk...!

 

 

I assume there is a lot. That's probably why it tastes so much better.

 

But I actually prefer the double caramel one. I haven't looked to know for sure, but it tastes like it would have even more sugar than the chocolate one.


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  #1802012 16-Jun-2017 11:14
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You can't beat Puhoi Half & Half...!!

 

 

 

The funny thing is that full fat milk is still accurately describable as "95% fat free". I would think that, unless you drink pints of the stuff every day, bothering with skimmed or semi-skimmed is a waste of time really, considering that they both taste worse (especially skimmed, which tastes like white water).






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  #1802063 16-Jun-2017 11:38
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Geektastic:

 

....

 

The funny thing is that full fat milk is still accurately describable as "95% fat free"....

 

 

I'm about to go and have my weekly Mee Goreng from Chummeez on Lambton Quay.  I haven't asked them for nutritional information but I'm sure that fellow Geekzoners who have partaken in this delicacy will agree it's at lest 47% fat-free.





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  #1802087 16-Jun-2017 12:15
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"I'll have two big macs, large fries, chicken nuggets, an apple pie and a diet coke please".





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  #1802088 16-Jun-2017 12:23
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humans aren't designed to food that has had its fat artificially removed


 
 
 
 


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  #1802091 16-Jun-2017 12:33
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Fred99:

 

There's now some arguments that whole milk may be better for you than low fat.  Correlation only, possible mechanism that some nutrients in milk are fat soluble, that the ratio of sugar:fat (even though that may be lactose - not added sucrose in flavoured milk etc) contributes to obesity etc.  The apparent flaw in many of the population studies is the same flaw that appears in studies suggesting negative outcomes / higher mortality through use of artificial sweeteners.  They conveniently ignore the fact that of the population using artificial sweeteners, some larger % are diabetic, obese already and have reason to reduce sugar consumption (the hope to avoid the negative health outcome they're being told they're going to get) - or do things I've seen so many times - have a donut or big slab of sweet cake with their coffee - then bung artificial sweetener in their coffee "because they need to diet".

 

Who knows?  Reducing added sugar intake is a no-brainer, but consuming massive quantities of saturated fats just because it seems they aren't as harmful as once thought may be a serious mistake.

 

Almost all industry-funded food studies truly suck - and media reporting on them is shamefully inadequate.

 

 

Media reporting on everything here seems shamefully inadequate. Nearly every article I see is just a regurgitated press release. I can't recall the last time I saw a critical report on anything. I don't think today's 'journalists' are even capable of critical thinking. I have to wonder what they are actually taught in journalism school.

 

 





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  #1802096 16-Jun-2017 12:39
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do red Apples come from red trees?  Do blue Holden Sparks come from blue Holden Colorado Utes?





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  #1802100 16-Jun-2017 12:45
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floydbloke:

 

Geektastic:

 

....

 

The funny thing is that full fat milk is still accurately describable as "95% fat free"....

 

 

I'm about to go and have my weekly Mee Goreng from Chummeez on Lambton Quay.  I haven't asked them for nutritional information but I'm sure that fellow Geekzoners who have partaken in this delicacy will agree it's at lest 47% fat-free.

 

 


Haven't been there for ages - is it still good? I used to meet my wife there for lunch when I worked at the DIA.






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  #1802102 16-Jun-2017 12:46
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MikeAqua:

 

"I'll have two big macs, large fries, chicken nuggets, an apple pie and a diet coke please".

 

 

 

 

Quite so.






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  #1802104 16-Jun-2017 12:48
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Geektastic:

 

floydbloke:

 

Geektastic:

 

....

 

The funny thing is that full fat milk is still accurately describable as "95% fat free"....

 

 

I'm about to go and have my weekly Mee Goreng from Chummeez on Lambton Quay.  I haven't asked them for nutritional information but I'm sure that fellow Geekzoners who have partaken in this delicacy will agree it's at lest 47% fat-free.

 

 


Haven't been there for ages - is it still good? I used to meet my wife there for lunch when I worked at the DIA.

 

 

 

 

I used to go to Mo's in Bowen State and to splash out go to the Ministry of Food at the same locale tongue-out





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  #1802109 16-Jun-2017 13:20
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Actually, chocolate milk does come from brown cows. You just have to use the right end.

 

 





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  #1802131 16-Jun-2017 13:58
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Rikkitic:

 

Fred99:

 

There's now some arguments that whole milk may be better for you than low fat.  Correlation only, possible mechanism that some nutrients in milk are fat soluble, that the ratio of sugar:fat (even though that may be lactose - not added sucrose in flavoured milk etc) contributes to obesity etc.  The apparent flaw in many of the population studies is the same flaw that appears in studies suggesting negative outcomes / higher mortality through use of artificial sweeteners.  They conveniently ignore the fact that of the population using artificial sweeteners, some larger % are diabetic, obese already and have reason to reduce sugar consumption (the hope to avoid the negative health outcome they're being told they're going to get) - or do things I've seen so many times - have a donut or big slab of sweet cake with their coffee - then bung artificial sweetener in their coffee "because they need to diet".

 

Who knows?  Reducing added sugar intake is a no-brainer, but consuming massive quantities of saturated fats just because it seems they aren't as harmful as once thought may be a serious mistake.

 

Almost all industry-funded food studies truly suck - and media reporting on them is shamefully inadequate.

 

 

Media reporting on everything here seems shamefully inadequate. Nearly every article I see is just a regurgitated press release. I can't recall the last time I saw a critical report on anything. I don't think today's 'journalists' are even capable of critical thinking. I have to wonder what they are actually taught in journalism school.

 

 

 

 

quality of journalists is a reflection of how much their audience is prepared to pay.

 

Read the NBR sometime for quality critical reporting (yes its behind a paywall)


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  #1802135 16-Jun-2017 14:10
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Put bad journalists together with scientists trying to bolster their case for funding and you get what we see.

 

There seem to be very few people left who still hold that correlation tells us nothing about causation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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