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  #1812945 4-Jul-2017 22:17
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When it comes to the environmental cost of farming, more so dairy farming, I have detected growing impatience in NZers lately. The myth of 100% pure is gone in many eyes - it is in mine.

 

 

Those people have lost sight of where much of their standard of living comes from either directly or indirectly. They are very happy to throw stones while at the same time are happy to accept the benefits. Double standards.





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  #1812961 4-Jul-2017 22:36
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Tourism is now as big an earner as dairy. Dairy might be big now but will it remain so?

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #1812975 4-Jul-2017 23:25
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Tourism is now as big an earner as dairy. Dairy might be big now but will it remain so?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sadly it will get bigger as the world struggles to feed itself. Fonterra need to be a better corporate citizen though!!! We have just learned today that the peterol companies have been ripping most of us off, and I believe supermarkets probably are as well.


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  #1812986 5-Jul-2017 00:25
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I'd like to see an inflation adjusted graph for butter and milk retail price for the last 40 years.

We are producing so much more, and that would usually make something cost less. But there is the demand side and new markets..

I recall a time when milk was delivery only and was not or could not be sold in supermarkets. Again the price graph..


Edit: inflation adjusted might be misleading, average wage might be useful.

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gzt: I'd like to see an inflation adjusted graph for butter and milk retail price for the last 40 years.

We are producing so much more, and that would usually make something cost less. But there is the demand side and new markets..

I recall a time when milk was delivery only and was not or could not be sold in supermarkets. Again the price graph..


Edit: inflation adjusted might be misleading, average wage might be useful.

 

 

 

Also compared to fizzy sugar drinks. At one stage I am sure milk used to be a lot cheaper.


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  #1813027 5-Jul-2017 08:06
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clevedon:

 

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Dairy farmers are intent on charging domestic users the full market price for their product.

 

 

 

 

The farmer milking the cows does not set the price of milk that you pay in the shop - the retailer does.

 

 

This is only partially true. Farmers are more often than not part of dairy co-operatives where they are like shareholders, and do have a say (voting rights?) on all sorts of product decisions up the chain. That isn't the final retail price, but it sure influences it.


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  #1813043 5-Jul-2017 09:04
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Technofreak:

 

elpenguino:

 

When it comes to the environmental cost of farming, more so dairy farming, I have detected growing impatience in NZers lately. The myth of 100% pure is gone in many eyes - it is in mine.

 

 

Those people have lost sight of where much of their standard of living comes from either directly or indirectly. They are very happy to throw stones while at the same time are happy to accept the benefits. Double standards.

 

 

It's nothing to do with double standards. The number of dairy cows has increased 70 percent since 1994 (3.8 million in 1994 to 6.5 million in 2015) and NZ simply now has too many cows for the land. High intensity dairy farming is harming our environment and killing our rivers and something needs to be done about it.


 
 
 
 


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Technofreak:

 

elpenguino:

 

When it comes to the environmental cost of farming, more so dairy farming, I have detected growing impatience in NZers lately. The myth of 100% pure is gone in many eyes - it is in mine.

 

 

Those people have lost sight of where much of their standard of living comes from either directly or indirectly. They are very happy to throw stones while at the same time are happy to accept the benefits. Double standards.

 

 

When you look at the water used to produce milk  ... I often wonder if we would be better off exporting the water or at least the portion of it that is high quality.





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  #1813111 5-Jul-2017 10:46
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Technofreak:

 

elpenguino:

 

When it comes to the environmental cost of farming, more so dairy farming, I have detected growing impatience in NZers lately. The myth of 100% pure is gone in many eyes - it is in mine.

 

 

Those people have lost sight of where much of their standard of living comes from either directly or indirectly. They are very happy to throw stones while at the same time are happy to accept the benefits. Double standards.

 

 

When you look at the water used to produce milk  ... I often wonder if we would be better off exporting the water or at least the portion of it that is high quality.

 

 

 

 

Although someone called "MikeAqua" may have a vested interest there...! laughing






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Geektastic:

 

When you look at the water used to produce milk  ... I often wonder if we would be better off exporting the water or at least the portion of it that is high quality.

 

MikeAqua:

 

Although someone called "MikeAqua" may have a vested interest there...! laughing

 

 

 

I'm in the salt-water side of things, so no vested interest. 

 

I do own a property with a well in Blenheim but it's domestic use rights only.





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Geektastic:

 

When you look at the water used to produce milk  ... I often wonder if we would be better off exporting the water or at least the portion of it that is high quality.

 

MikeAqua:

 

Although someone called "MikeAqua" may have a vested interest there...! laughing

 

 

 

I'm in the salt-water side of things, so no vested interest. 

 

I do own a property with a well in Blenheim but it's domestic use rights only.

 

 

 

 

And shares in a desalination plant perhaps? cool






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