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  # 1825763 20-Jul-2017 10:58
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As I understand it a conviction is not of itself a reason to summarily dismiss. 


As a criminal trial requires a higher threshold of evidence of guilt than an employment investigation, it would be sensible to await the outcome of the trial.  Imagine if they'd sacked him and he was found not guilty.


I would not be at all surprised if the police collective employment agreement includes provision for confinement to desk duties or unpaid leave during an investigation (criminal or employment). I look at it this way ...


Police officers are at higher risk of vexatious complaints than other professions.  In the event of a complaint you may want to stand an officer down.  Assuming they are innocent, you will want to retain them as an employee.  That means paying them while the investigation is in progress.  In the case of an officer who is found guilty, that's distasteful.  In the case of an officer who is exonerated, it's a good thing.


Yes it's taken a while, but they got him.





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  # 1826238 20-Jul-2017 21:48
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My biggest concern would be this:

"When police analysed Buis' phone, they found he had communicated with colleagues over an app during which he voiced his hatred for Pryde."

So, a number of other police service staff knew something was odd and presumably they brought that to the attention of someone senior? Seriously, if you are a policeman and one of your colleagues starts discussing how much he hates a member of the public, that surely has to ring alarm bells somewhere.

This was my thought also and i agree the police have to wear that.

On the sunny side it's obvious that individual officers did cooperate with the investigation when they became aware of issues and provided access to the messages.

Maybe I'm making a bit of an assumption there but it looks that way to me.

Edit: I can also recall a recent case where multiple police testified against an officer. Iirc they were junior and the guy was not convicted.. but anyway..


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  # 1826250 20-Jul-2017 22:12
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As always these stories bring out the armchair critics and the ill informed...



Are you saying the apologists are always better informed?

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  # 1826270 20-Jul-2017 23:09
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MikeAqua: Imagine if they'd sacked him and he was found not guilty.



Plenty of people get summarily dismissed each and every day without the need of a criminal trial finding in order to ascertain whether there is no reasonable doubt that the conduct which lead to their dismissal did in fact occur. People in the private sector don't go on paid leave while awaiting the outcome of their trials for embezzlement from their employer.

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Well, if anyone is wondering how the scumbag featured in this thread kept his job, here's more on a similar theme to ponder:


Top cop tried to stop his daughter's arrest


Bruce Bird is a pretty scummy being who's not only got questionable ethics; he also has the wonderful distinction of being a hypocrite. Anyone in any kind of senior position in any respectable corporate who blatantly abuses his own position in an attempt to advance the interest of a family member (forgetting all the important context like Bruce "Flip the Bird to Ethics" Bird being a law enforcer and his action strongly giving the appearance of having undermined the employment of another person to the extent that this person soon left the Police and felt strongly enough about his action to make an IPCA complaint) would be sacked. But the Police don't mind having him around. What message does this send to people in the organisation who aspire to higher standards?


It's beyond me how any person that this guy manages, who has any kind of standard and integrity, can retain any semblance of respect for him. People all have bills to pay etc but if I were one of those poor souls who has to report to him directly but has options, I'd leave and tell him why.

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