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  #2933525 23-Jun-2022 13:36
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Ge0rge:
Eva888: I believe there are faraday type covers to keep such keys in. Was mulling over whether this was necessary.


I'm not sure I understand what the use case would be for putting the fob in a cage - unless you're worried about non-ionising radiation in your pocket / bag.

Blocking the signals from the fob won't stop your car being unlocked by someone else with their fob, if indeed that gaping security hole exists.

 

Repeater attacks from people outside your house with a big-ass antenna are a thing. Particularly with keyless start high value cars as they will keep running once started even if the key is out of range.

 

Its a real bad idea IMO since I know of people where hubby and wife drove somewhere, dropped off the husband, went to the mall, parked. Got out, car locked. Didn't have the key because its at home and it used the husbands one to run.

 

Another has an internal garage and they have to leave the key inside the bedroom because if its in their pocket when they walk about the house it will unlock the car often.





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  #2933531 23-Jun-2022 13:49
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The BMW M3 Touring. The first M3 Touring publicly sold and promoted. Looks *lovely*. 

 

 


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Gurezaemon:

 

My wife lost one of the two proximity keys for one of our Mazdas several years ago, but she's just discovered that the proximity key for our other Mazda works for both of them. This rather makes me question the security of these things, to be honest. 

 

Had this happen with a flatmate years ago. I owned a Hillman Hunter (shows you how long ago it was). He owned a Singer something. Could use the keys interchangeably.




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  #2933561 23-Jun-2022 15:11
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Ge0rge: I'm not sure I understand what the use case would be for putting the fob in a cage - unless you're worried about non-ionising radiation in your pocket / bag.

 

 

The car doesn't care where the signal is coming from, so someone can ping your fob, capture the signal, and forward it to your car. Unlikely to happen in NZ but it's used by gangs in Europe to steal high-end cars, a common tactic is to walk up to the door of the house where the car is parked, ping the fob which is often left close enough to the front door, relay the response to the car, and drive off. In the absence of the fob some cars will go into valet/limp-home mode but that doesn't matter, by then the thieves are away and can work on it at their leisure.

 

 

For those who speak German, the context is a bit difficult to translate otherwise, but "Kommen sie nach Polen, ihr Auto ist schon da!".

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  #2933676 23-Jun-2022 21:51
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Senecio:

 

Deamo:

 

each row needs a unique id in this format: GFT_DDMMYY-01. Each row will need the final number to increase in descending order i.e the next row would be GFT_DDMMYY-02 etc

 

 

 

 

Kind of makes sense. Final number is increasing in descending order (ie. down the page)

 

 

 

GFT_DDMMYY-01   |

 

GFT_DDMMYY-02   |

 

GFT_DDMMYY-03   |

 

GFT_DDMMYY-04   |

 

GFT_DDMMYY-05   V

 

 

 

 

yeah, that's what he was thinking when he wrote it. Still, got a good laugh out of it


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  #2933707 24-Jun-2022 00:25
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Gurezaemon:

My wife lost one of the two proximity keys for one of our Mazdas several years ago, but she's just discovered that the proximity key for our other Mazda works for both of them. This rather makes me question the security of these things, to be honest.



Did you buy them from a dealer and get them serviced together? Often the car can be programed to accept up to 4 different proximity key fobs. The metal keys would still be different but you could get access to or move the other car using one fob.

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We participate in a city-supported food anti-throwaway programme and last night there was a delivery of fresh, even chilled sushi (it's the beginning of summer here) left over at the deli at the end of the sale. According to food hygiene regulations, this would have to go into the bin by 24:00. This was so much, cheap and good, that we spontaneously organised a summer evening party with the neighbours and friends. Now there are more participants for this programme. :-)

 

 

 

examples how it works (what ever is available in NZ, I don‘t know): https://www.wellandgood.com/food-waste-apps/





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  #2933716 24-Jun-2022 08:10
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allan:

Had this happen with a flatmate years ago. I owned a Hillman Hunter (shows you how long ago it was). He owned a Singer something. Could use the keys interchangeably.


Same with my Ford Escort. Walked past someone who has locked their keys in the car. So I opened it with mine.

There were rumours you could do Cortinas with them as well but I never had the chance to try it.

Those were the days.

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  #2933724 24-Jun-2022 08:57
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IIRC the rumour was that Ford Cortinas only had about 6 different keys. There were numerous stories of people taking the wrong car home from the supermarket. English cars usually had the key number marked on the ignition switch. Some garages would have large key panels with about 20 keys of each combination. It was obvious that keys weren't unique.

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  #2933728 24-Jun-2022 09:46
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Thanks, not smiling anymore about car keys so will start a dedicated thread to ask burning questions after a very late breakfast.

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  #2933776 24-Jun-2022 10:01
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Senecio:

 

Deamo:

 

each row needs a unique id in this format: GFT_DDMMYY-01. Each row will need the final number to increase in descending order i.e the next row would be GFT_DDMMYY-02 etc

 

 

 

 

Kind of makes sense. Final number is increasing in descending order (ie. down the page)

 

 

 

GFT_DDMMYY-01   |

 

GFT_DDMMYY-02   |

 

GFT_DDMMYY-03   |

 

GFT_DDMMYY-04   |

 

GFT_DDMMYY-05   V

 

 

That's in ascending order.





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  #2933784 24-Jun-2022 10:42
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allan:

 

Gurezaemon:

 

My wife lost one of the two proximity keys for one of our Mazdas several years ago, but she's just discovered that the proximity key for our other Mazda works for both of them. This rather makes me question the security of these things, to be honest. 

 

Had this happen with a flatmate years ago. I owned a Hillman Hunter (shows you how long ago it was). He owned a Singer something. Could use the keys interchangeably.

 

 

The key for my '87 Familia would unlock my flatmate's '85 Familia. Though that was more because the lock was full of gunk. I couldn't start the car. 





 

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  #2933833 24-Jun-2022 11:28
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Am a master at jumping to wrong conclusions so smiling because with all this key anxiety going on, when I read the thread about Mazda battery lasting, I thought it referred to key battery so looked mine up and was mystified why theirs would cost in the $$$$ and mine was only $. I deduced maybe there is another compartment in the key that houses the $$$$ one and that’s why they cost so much.

A very relieved Duh.



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  #2933929 24-Jun-2022 14:34
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Eva888: Am a master at jumping to wrong conclusions so smiling because with all this key anxiety going on, when I read the thread about Mazda battery lasting, I thought it referred to key battery so looked mine up and was mystified why theirs would cost in the $$$$ and mine was only $. I deduced maybe there is another compartment in the key that houses the $$$$ one and that’s why they cost so much.

A very relieved Duh.


 

But I have heard from well-informed circles that there are car brands that nobody steals anyway and therefore don't really need a central door locking system, although their owners believe the opposite. ;-)





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  #2933989 24-Jun-2022 18:45
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Eva888: will start a dedicated thread to ask burning questions after a very late breakfast.

 

 

You had leftover extra-hot vindaloo?

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