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Handsomedan
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  #3319463 12-Dec-2024 09:31
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eracode:

 

Refusing to open accounts for a sex toy operation has been BNZ's loss. Maybe their 'principles' transcend this but when the other banks heard about this, they flocked in and offered accounts to the business. It seems the client is going to run with Westpac.

 

This raises the question: If a BNZ business client selling say, religious paraphernalia, suddenly started also selling sex toys, would BNZ stroll in and tell them that their account is going to be closed? Since when did banks become the moral police - or the climate change police for that matter - but that's a current and actual separate story.

 

 

The individual banks have a set of governing principles regarding who/what they will allow to have accounts. 

 

It's called ESG. 

 

Effectively, it covers everything from Environmental, to Social and Governance structures and sets out the types of customers they will or won't take on as new customers and those they will choose to exit. 
It's hard because businesses have to be able to be banked somewhere, so exiting a customer that no other bank wants can be problematic or near impossible at times. 

It's nbot about being the moral police. It's about sticking to the principles of their ESG policies and the shareholders' and board's comfort levels and the optics of such. 
i.e. - companies that sell or manufactire Weapons, Drugs, Tobacco, etc will all be very hard to find a banker for here in NZ. 

ESG policy is more than just taking a moral stand: It integrates sustainable practices into banking operations, aligning financial performance with environmental stewardship, social responsibility, and strong governance principles (I took that sentence from the interwebs, but it's accurate) 

So yeah - one bank's loss may be another's gain, but sometims it can be a millstone too

 

 





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  #3319471 12-Dec-2024 09:49
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Handsomedan:

 

The individual banks have a set of governing principles regarding who/what they will allow to have accounts. 

 

It's called ESG. 

 

Effectively, it covers everything from Environmental, to Social and Governance structures and sets out the types of customers they will or won't take on as new customers and those they will choose to exit. 
It's hard because businesses have to be able to be banked somewhere, so exiting a customer that no other bank wants can be problematic or near impossible at times. 

It's nbot about being the moral police. It's about sticking to the principles of their ESG policies and the shareholders' and board's comfort levels and the optics of such. 
i.e. - companies that sell or manufactire Weapons, Drugs, Tobacco, etc will all be very hard to find a banker for here in NZ. 

ESG policy is more than just taking a moral stand: It integrates sustainable practices into banking operations, aligning financial performance with environmental stewardship, social responsibility, and strong governance principles (I took that sentence from the interwebs, but it's accurate) 

So yeah - one bank's loss may be another's gain, but sometims it can be a millstone too

 

 

Not sure that refusing to bank a sex toy operation fits in with those lofty criteria. Sounds petty and arbitrary to me.

 

Regarding: "businesses have to be able to be banked somewhere" - except Gloriavale - which is where this discussion started.





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Banks can refuse you for even just having been bankrupted previously (despite that they are not lending you any money).

 

This is wrong. Everyone should be entitled to a bank account.

 

Whether a bank wants to lend you money, however, should remain up to them.




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  #3319493 12-Dec-2024 10:32
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eracode:

 

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Not sure that refusing to bank a sex toy operation fits in with those criteria. Sounds petty and arbitrary to me.

 

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Couldn't agree more.  I'm not sure what sort of audience they're trying to appease here, but I'm well into middle-age, have banked with BNZ for 30+ years and this sort of attitude from the bank has the opposite effect on me.  Much more of this and I might take my business elsewhere.  I would think younger generations in 2024 believe that NZ society as a whole is mature enough to feel that buying and using sex toys are an (adult) individuals' choice, and marketing and selling of them is a perfectly legitimate business.  Bit of a BNZ own goal here I think.





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  #3319509 12-Dec-2024 11:24
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boosacnoodle:

 

Banks can refuse you for even just having been bankrupted previously (despite that they are not lending you any money).

 

This is wrong. Everyone should be entitled to a bank account.

 

Whether a bank wants to lend you money, however, should remain up to them.

 

 

This is what kiwibank should exist for. Bank of last resort only.





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  #3319594 12-Dec-2024 15:27
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boosacnoodle: Banks can refuse you for even just having been bankrupted previously (despite that they are not lending you any money).

 

Didn't a bank close Rob Muldoon's account because of some political stand they disagreed with?


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  #3319844 13-Dec-2024 08:58
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Two things made me smile recently:
1) An item bought online in Australia, shipped by DHL. Tracking information says ETA 17th December; attempted to deliver on the 11th but alas I was not home at that time (signature required). I was home yesterday and received it - 5 days early :) 

 

2) Ordered some custom printing, ETA 20th December. I had 2 options to pay more for express printing to get them earlier; decided I was happy with the 20th Dec. Got an email on 10th December that the items were ready for pick up :) 


 
 
 
 

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  #3319887 13-Dec-2024 11:53
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eracode:

 

richms:

 

eracode:

 

I was thinking maybe the puppetmasters themselves could run it through personal accounts held in their names.

 

A bank may be on thin ice refusing to open an account based solely on someone's address - although a bank doesn't have to open an account for anybody.

 

 

If they can not open an account for a dildo factory they can not open an account for a religious nutter.

 

 

Refusing to open accounts for a sex toy operation has been BNZ's loss. Maybe their 'principles' transcend this but when the other banks heard about this, they flocked in and offered accounts to the business. It seems the client is going to run with Westpac.

 

This raises the question: If a BNZ business client selling say, religious paraphernalia, suddenly started also selling sex toys, would BNZ stroll in and tell them that their account is going to be closed? Since when did banks become the moral police - or the climate change police for that matter - but that's a current and actual separate story centred on rural petrol stations.

 

Just remembered - true story: When I worked for BNZ many moons ago, BNZ had a Business Banking client that was a well-known knock-shop in Auckland suburbia. It was a very successful business and there was always much jocularity and banter in the office when the Relationship Manager was paying them a (professional) visit.

 

 

 

 

This is what I was referring to - GZ post today.





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  #3320094 13-Dec-2024 16:14
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Here's something that made me smile. 

 

Biopsy results are back and I don't have Cancer for Christmas. 

 

I shall be allowed back on my Mountain Bike in a couple of weeks when my leg wound heals and I don't need to go see the quacks for another year. 

 

 

 

Happy Days! 





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  #3320381 14-Dec-2024 09:50
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The Witcher 4 Trailer. Epic. 


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  #3320694 15-Dec-2024 10:51
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I like the option that Noel Leeming have to send your receipts for purchases to you by email. Makes it very simple to keep electronic records of purchases.

 

Would be great if more retailers did this.





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  #3320696 15-Dec-2024 10:52
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eracode:

 

I like the option that Noel Leeming have to send your receipts for purchases to you by email. Makes it very simple to keep electronic records of purchases.

 

Would be great if more retailers did this.

 

 

How does that work when shopping in store? I have never had them ask for my email address.





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  #3320698 15-Dec-2024 10:57
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eracode:

 

I like the option that Noel Leeming have to send your receipts for purchases to you by email. Makes it very simple to keep electronic records of purchases.

 

Would be great if more retailers did this.

 

 

Yes, and anytime you transact with a retailers loyalty card, it should trigger the same thing. 


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  #3320700 15-Dec-2024 10:58
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richms:

 

eracode:

 

I like the option that Noel Leeming have to send your receipts for purchases to you by email. Makes it very simple to keep electronic records of purchases.

 

Would be great if more retailers did this.

 

 

How does that work when shopping in store? I have never had them ask for my email address.

 

 

They have me recorded in their system - including email address. When checking out, they always ask for my mobile number then ask my name to check that I'm who they think I am. Once paid, they say "We've sent your receipt by email - would you also like a paper copy?" Very quick and simple.

 

I guess they have my details recorded because at times I have ordered stuff from them online.

 

Not 100% certain but I think I recall Harvey Norman doing this too.





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  #3320701 15-Dec-2024 11:06
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I remember a post (I think it was on here) several years ago where someone had bought a Christmas present for his wife at NL or similar, and they'd matched something (phone number?) to his account and sent an email without asking, spoiling the surprise.


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