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  Reply # 1847099 15-Aug-2017 14:52
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If you want taste try a non-homogenised milk, smile yummy and probably healthier.





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  Reply # 1847114 15-Aug-2017 15:12
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MikeAqua:

 

If you want taste try a non-homogenised milk, smile yummy and probably healthier.

 

 

And a fantastic way to gamble with your life.


 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1847124 15-Aug-2017 15:22
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MikeAqua:

 

If you want taste try a non-homogenised milk, smile yummy and probably healthier.

 

 

And a fantastic way to gamble with your life.

 

 

Aren't you confusing pasteurisation with homogenisation?  The former kills bacteria, the latter smoothes out the fat distribution. 

 

 


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  Reply # 1847127 15-Aug-2017 15:29
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sbiddle:

 

MikeAqua:

 

If you want taste try a non-homogenised milk, smile yummy and probably healthier.

 

 

And a fantastic way to gamble with your life.

 

 

Aren't you confusing pasteurisation with homogenisation?  The former kills bacteria, the latter smoothes out the fat distribution. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I am.


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  Reply # 1847314 15-Aug-2017 23:42
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mattwnz: Permeate isn't milk though, I believe it is a byproduct of processed milk products. Eg if you put runny homemade yogurt in a fine cloth to sieve it to make the yogurt more solid,, the yellow liquid that comes out I believe is permeate, which you then normally throw out. People supposedly want a standardised taste all the year round, so that is why it is added in.


No, that would be whey. [Edit] The stuff from yoghurt I mean

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  Reply # 1847489 16-Aug-2017 12:18
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MikeAqua:

 

If you want taste try a non-homogenised milk, smile yummy and probably healthier.

 

 

And a fantastic way to gamble with your life.

 

 

yell wrong *ised tongue-out

 

I wouldn't suggest buying non-pasteurised (so called 'raw') milk.

 

Homogenisation supposedly reduces the size of fat globules in milk making them more readily absorbed.  So you may absorb more fat from hoogenised trim than whole milk. I'm not convinced either way but ir tastes better.

 

The milk I buy is Oakland's milk.  It's pasteurised whole milk.  I know through work the people who make it.  They sell via cafes (makes a great flat white) and fill-your-own vending machines.  Neat little business.  I'm sure there are similar suppliers in other regions.





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MikeAqua:

 

sbiddle:

 

MikeAqua:

 

If you want taste try a non-homogenised milk, smile yummy and probably healthier.

 

 

And a fantastic way to gamble with your life.

 

 

yell wrong *ised tongue-out

 

I wouldn't suggest buying non-pasteurised (so called 'raw') milk.

 

Homogenisation supposedly reduces the size of fat globules in milk making them more readily absorbed.  So you may absorb more fat from hoogenised trim than whole milk. I'm not convinced either way but ir tastes better.

 

The milk I buy is Oakland's milk.  It's pasteurised whole milk.  I know through work the people who make it.  They sell via cafes (makes a great flat white) and fill-your-own vending machines.  Neat little business.  I'm sure there are similar suppliers in other regions.

 

 

Homogenisation simply distributes the fat through the milk evenly so it doesn't readily separate out making for a more consistent product through the duration of its use i.e you don't get the cream in the first use and the tanker rinse water after that.

 

BTW eating fat doesn't make you fat. The myth that it does is exactly what has made people fat - they think by avoiding fat they'll get thin and yet they don't. There's also strong evidence to suggest that the link between eating fat and heart disease is also a fallacy. Just like with the "Don't eat more than two eggs a week" rubbish that got crushed about a decade ago.





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  Reply # 1848017 17-Aug-2017 12:24
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Coil:

 

Clearly you haven't come around to my house in the lovely North Auckland suburb of Devonport and sampled one of my Chai Soy Decaf Latte's with one raw sugar and cinnamon on top.

 

 

No wonder the rest of the country gives us people north of the Bombay's a hard time when we admit to things like this!


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  Reply # 1848018 17-Aug-2017 12:26
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dafman:

 

Just on TV one now, Consumer NZ says milk from light proof bottles has no nutritional benefit over other bottles.

 

Yet, a Fonterra spin doctor fronts up and says they reckon it's worth charging consumers a premium for!

 

Dairy is wrecking our environment and killing our waterways (honest opinion) ... and now Fonterra are using marketing spin to ramp up the price of milk for the consumer!

 

It's time for change! Let's start charging them a little for their massive water use to begin with.

 

 

Well buy your own cow and do it for yourself!  Simples...


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BTW eating fat doesn't make you fat. The myth that it does is exactly what has made people fat - they think by avoiding fat they'll get thin and yet they don't. There's also strong evidence to suggest that the link between eating fat and heart disease is also a fallacy. Just like with the "Don't eat more than two eggs a week" rubbish that got crushed about a decade ago.

 

 

True. Weight gain/loss is matter of energy balance - calories in vs calories out (physiology and exercise).  But fat is energy dense so if you eat lot of fat you have to do more to create an energy deficit.





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MikeAqua:

 

cadman:

 

 

 

BTW eating fat doesn't make you fat. The myth that it does is exactly what has made people fat - they think by avoiding fat they'll get thin and yet they don't. There's also strong evidence to suggest that the link between eating fat and heart disease is also a fallacy. Just like with the "Don't eat more than two eggs a week" rubbish that got crushed about a decade ago.

 

 

True. Weight gain/loss is matter of energy balance - calories in vs calories out (physiology and exercise).  But fat is energy dense so if you eat lot of fat you have to do more to create an energy deficit.

 

 

 

 

http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/6-reasons-why-a-calorie-is-not-a-calorie#section1


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Fred99:

 

MikeAqua:

 

cadman:

 

 

 

BTW eating fat doesn't make you fat. The myth that it does is exactly what has made people fat - they think by avoiding fat they'll get thin and yet they don't. There's also strong evidence to suggest that the link between eating fat and heart disease is also a fallacy. Just like with the "Don't eat more than two eggs a week" rubbish that got crushed about a decade ago.

 

 

... calories in vs calories out (physiology and exercise). 

 

 

 http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/6-reasons-why-a-calorie-is-not-a-calorie#section1

 

 

There is no escaping thermodynamics.  If you consume more calories that you use, you will gain weight. 

 

'Use' includes bodily functions like breathing, circulating blood, digesting food etc etc etc .... 

 

An average male outputs about 1,600 calories (~400g of fat) a day doing nothing.  That's his base metabolic rate.  Add muscle mass and that number increases.

 

In the example given broccoli simply uses more energy to digest and metabolise than candy.  That extra digestive and metabolic effort is still energy used





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Fred99:

 

 http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/6-reasons-why-a-calorie-is-not-a-calorie#section1

 

 

There is no escaping thermodynamics.  If you consume more calories that you use, you will gain weight. 

 

 

Incorrect.





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MikeAqua:

 

Fred99:

 

MikeAqua:

 

cadman:

 

 

 

BTW eating fat doesn't make you fat. The myth that it does is exactly what has made people fat - they think by avoiding fat they'll get thin and yet they don't. There's also strong evidence to suggest that the link between eating fat and heart disease is also a fallacy. Just like with the "Don't eat more than two eggs a week" rubbish that got crushed about a decade ago.

 

 

... calories in vs calories out (physiology and exercise). 

 

 

 http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/6-reasons-why-a-calorie-is-not-a-calorie#section1

 

 

There is no escaping thermodynamics.  If you consume more calories that you use, you will gain weight. 

 

'Use' includes bodily functions like breathing, circulating blood, digesting food etc etc etc .... 

 

An average male outputs about 1,600 calories (~400g of fat) a day doing nothing.  That's his base metabolic rate.  Add muscle mass and that number increases.

 

In the example given broccoli simply uses more energy to digest and metabolise than candy.  That extra digestive and metabolic effort is still energy used

 

 

You clearly didn't read that article I linked to.

 

It's not quite as simple as "calories in / calories out" .


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  Reply # 1849071 20-Aug-2017 09:52
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Let me try a course correction.

 

I wish the lightproof bottles had been around when I was working full time.

 

They would have been a godsend in the workplace lunch room.

 

I tended to lunch later than everyone else, so by the time I got to the lunch room the milk had been left sitting out on the bench for an hour at least. Sometimes even since morning tea. 

 

I soon got used to NOT having a hot beverage at lunch/afternoon teatimes.

 

Bad enough it had been out of the fridge for a while , but the light exposure made it go off even quicker. 

 

 





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