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  # 1913297 5-Dec-2017 13:23
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Interesting that they don't appear to be carrying the Amazon Tablets or Fire Sticks.

 

I did eventually find their Kindle Hardware page, but it isn't well promoted

 

 - https://www.amazon.com.au/b/ref=sv_kinc_6?ie=UTF8&node=3934158051





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networkn:

 

And it may come to pass that they do deliver to NZ and satisfy your preference, however it's a little unreasonable to expect it day one. It's not Amazon Australasia, nor Amazon AUNZ, it's Amazon Australia and without confirmation from the company itself, it would service NZ, ever.

 

It probably will, but perhaps some patience might be in order. 

 

 

Christ, the temerity of someone for having an opinion different from yours. Perhaps they don't actually need your lecture?

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1913630 5-Dec-2017 22:57
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networkn:

 

And it may come to pass that they do deliver to NZ and satisfy your preference, however it's a little unreasonable to expect it day one. It's not Amazon Australasia, nor Amazon AUNZ, it's Amazon Australia and without confirmation from the company itself, it would service NZ, ever.

 

It probably will, but perhaps some patience might be in order. 

 

 

Christ, the temerity of someone for having an opinion different from yours. Perhaps they don't actually need your lecture?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pot, Kettle, Black.

 

For the record, it's not "opinion", and it wasn't a lecture, but I know you like to twist things to make yourself feel better. It's pretty clear they are not servicing NZ from Australia during the launch or maybe ever.

 

Amazon *never* stated they would be servicing NZ from Australia. If some chose to make the assumption incorrectly, then got hot under the collar about it, should we send letters of sympathy? If you weren't simply being contrary I could see you making the same comments.

 

 

 

 


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  # 1913631 5-Dec-2017 23:03
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Drop it now. Both of you. This is about Amazon Australia, not Amazon New Zealand. There's a thread for Amazon New Zealand, and it hasn't launched yet.





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Have to agree with others that prices don't seem that impressive. I mean sure, they're often still better than in NZ but compared to US, not really great. And some are actually very bad.

 

Expected that anyway. Frankly I never thought that Amazon AU's launch itself was going to be that interesting to NZ. I mean shipping could be a little cheaper but I'm not convinced. I guess shipping maybe a little faster. Unless Amazon set up a return depot in NZ, sending stuff back to Australia is not that much cheaper. I guess some companies may treat stuff purchased in Australia the same as purchased in NZ when it comes to warranties, but probably not much. 

 

It doesn't really help that much with customs/GST unless Amazon set up some system to service NZ from Australia. Well I mean the way Amazon already handles stuff, the big issue as I see it is the biosecurity levy etc anyway. That and if you don't feel entirely comfortable avoiding any GST/duty on low value purchases. 

 

Only major advantage I can think of is when it comes to power plugs you'd at least get the right ones. For some items this may be worth it, but it seems to be only a select few. I guess there may be other similar cases where your item will comply with the necessary standards etc buts this won't be guaranteed from US or UK or whatever. 

 

As for the lack of shipping to NZ at the moment, I presume this is just in their early phase. Most other Amazons (E.g. US, UK, DE, I think CA, JP) ship to NZ/outside the home country so I don't see why Australia will be any different long term. Don't see the point of arguments about whether or not they should have launched without shipping to NZ. 

 

P.S. As with others, I've found even the US site's ships to NZ doesn't always work perfectly so I'm not surprised the AU site is no better. 

 

P.P.S. As for taking VAT/GST off, any VAT/GST registered business properly set up to deal with exports should be able to do it. It's true not all do it but for companies who really wants to get involved in the export business, not doing so can significantly affect how competitive they are. Especially for the EU, remember that VAT can often be higher than NZ's 15%. I have had even eBay sellers who would zero rate VAT on request, although eBay nowadays isn't well set up for them to do it automatically. 

 

P.P.P.S. For me the main page currently has a browser new categories with 4 categories the second of which is e-readers. I also sometimes get a Kindle E-readers starting $109 in the top right although other times it shows Audible and other times Firestick

 

P.P.P.P.S. Interesting I found this Stuff story https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/99540053/amazon-australia-opens--but-only-limited-goods-ship-to-new-zealand which mentions limited goods ship to NZ. But they don't provide any specific examples. I can't help thinking it means 'we didn't find anything but maybe something does so we'll just say limited' or maybe 'we used the deliver to NZ search and found stuff but didn't actually test it/properly check'. And they also say

 

 

shipping costs come under "All Other Areas" costing A$19.99 (NZ$22.16) for 1-3 business day delivery, A$9.99 for 3-7 days, and free 7-10 day delivery for orders over A$49.

 

 

But I find it hardly to believe shipping for NZ is really going to be free for orders over $49 so I'm guessing whoever wrote that didn't understand the rates they were looking at were just for Australia and despite what some people believe, we are not an Australian state or territory so rates to NZ will be global rates which tend to be complicated. 


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One final comment, considering Amazon haven't yet launched their Prime shipping in Australia, I would say it's even less surprising they don't ship to NZ. They clearly want to go slow and don't want to screw things up in the teething stage thereby pissing people off. I don't think there's really any reason to be surprised they're not bothering to ship to NZ (or anywhere besides Australia). Maybe the March 2018 will be simply the Australian site starting shipping to NZ (and Amazon.co.nz redirecting to AU) rather than any real NZ launch with the Echo set up to let you use the AU site (well probably also US if you want to). 


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Shipping will be the big factor. It costs more to ship from Australia to or From NZ, than it does to ship from China, the US, or the UK. It's insane. On the basis of that, returns of any item are unlikely to be cost-effective. 

 

I am wondering if they are soft launching and a big assault on prices is coming soon. Hard to know why they would bother if they couldn't compete strongly on price. Jeff Bezos is a very smart guy, it's either coming, or Amazon AU is a vehicle for something else he has planned that isn't apparent yet. 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1913768 6-Dec-2017 10:37
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Shipping will be the big factor. It costs more to ship from Australia to or From NZ, than it does to ship from China, the US, or the UK. It's insane. On the basis of that, returns of any item are unlikely to be cost-effective. 

 

I am wondering if they are soft launching and a big assault on prices is coming soon. Hard to know why they would bother if they couldn't compete strongly on price. Jeff Bezos is a very smart guy, it's either coming, or Amazon AU is a vehicle for something else he has planned that isn't apparent yet. 

 

 

Yes AU to NZ is one of the most expensive  piece of water to ship over.  The company I works for has to buy all it's stuff from the AU parent as we do pay lots for the shipping compared to buying  it from the US or Thailand which we aren't allowed to do. . 





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  # 1913778 6-Dec-2017 10:47
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networkn:

 

Shipping will be the big factor. It costs more to ship from Australia to or From NZ, than it does to ship from China, the US, or the UK. It's insane. On the basis of that, returns of any item are unlikely to be cost-effective. 

 

I am wondering if they are soft launching and a big assault on prices is coming soon. Hard to know why they would bother if they couldn't compete strongly on price. Jeff Bezos is a very smart guy, it's either coming, or Amazon AU is a vehicle for something else he has planned that isn't apparent yet. 

 

 

Yes AU to NZ is one of the most expensive  piece of water to ship over.  The company I works for has to buy all it's stuff from the AU parent as we do pay lots for the shipping compared to buying  it from the US or Thailand which we aren't allowed to do. . 

 

 

One of the key's to Amazon's success is taking care of issues like these. Amazon acquired and operate their own air transport http://fortune.com/2016/12/23/amazon-air-cargo/

 

So if the NZ trade is of sufficient volume, they will be able to make trans-tasman shipments relatively cheap by doing it themselves.


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You'd imagine we would potentially never (for a long time) approach the kind of (sustained) volume that would make having a jet fly over 7 days a week affordable. 
I understand that a big part of the cost of freight is the administrative cost. I'd be surprised if in the foreseeable immediate future Amazon could overcome this, but if they could, one assumes it would be for everyone, so even if the only benefit of getting Amazon in this part of the world is that, there is something to be said for that.

 

Does anyone know what percentage of freight between AU and NZ is air vs sea and how long it takes a container ship to get here? 

 

Economies of scale is the biggest challenge affecting costs in this part of the world. Amazon isn't likely going to create a huge amount of "new" demand, rather taking business from other retailers, therefore the scale isn't likely an issue to be soon done away with. 

 

 

 

 


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  # 1913799 6-Dec-2017 11:15
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You'd imagine we would potentially never (for a long time) approach the kind of (sustained) volume that would make having a jet fly over 7 days a week affordable. 
I understand that a big part of the cost of freight is the administrative cost. I'd be surprised if in the foreseeable immediate future Amazon could overcome this, but if they could, one assumes it would be for everyone, so even if the only benefit of getting Amazon in this part of the world is that, there is something to be said for that.

 

Does anyone know what percentage of freight between AU and NZ is air vs sea and how long it takes a container ship to get here? 

 

Economies of scale is the biggest challenge affecting costs in this part of the world. Amazon isn't likely going to create a huge amount of "new" demand, rather taking business from other retailers, therefore the scale isn't likely an issue to be soon done away with. 

 

 

Yep volume's the key. As I understand it there's currently several flights per day of dedicated airfreight trans-tasman. Like you I'd be surprised if Amazon would ever be able to sell enough to fill a daily freighter but they wouldn't have to if they could back fill it by contracting for other operators. Time will tell and it will probably just come down to whether Amazon actually give a stuff about NZ. Probably not given the effort they've put into supporting the likes of Alexa down here so far.

 

 


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Shipping will be the big factor. It costs more to ship from Australia to or From NZ, than it does to ship from China, the US, or the UK. It's insane. On the basis of that, returns of any item are unlikely to be cost-effective. 

 

I am wondering if they are soft launching and a big assault on prices is coming soon. Hard to know why they would bother if they couldn't compete strongly on price. Jeff Bezos is a very smart guy, it's either coming, or Amazon AU is a vehicle for something else he has planned that isn't apparent yet. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I regularly purchase items from Australia and almost 70% of the time I end up querying non delivery. It eventually shows up but can take over a week and thats usually with AusPost courier. 

 

Items I have purchased from the US and China can be here in 3-4 days.

 

Maybe Aus has a law that slows down couriers to NZ unless it has been in an Aussie jail!!


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You'd imagine we would potentially never (for a long time) approach the kind of (sustained) volume that would make having a jet fly over 7 days a week affordable. ...

 

 

Unless they opt to dip their toes into the passenger airline market as well.  Might not be a bad route for them as an experiment and it'd be quite good to see the current duopoly (bar a few long-haul carrier stops) challenged.





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networkn:

 

Shipping will be the big factor. It costs more to ship from Australia to or From NZ, than it does to ship from China, the US, or the UK. It's insane. On the basis of that, returns of any item are unlikely to be cost-effective. 

 

I am wondering if they are soft launching and a big assault on prices is coming soon. Hard to know why they would bother if they couldn't compete strongly on price. Jeff Bezos is a very smart guy, it's either coming, or Amazon AU is a vehicle for something else he has planned that isn't apparent yet. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I regularly purchase items from Australia and almost 70% of the time I end up querying non delivery. It eventually shows up but can take over a week and thats usually with AusPost courier. 

 

Items I have purchased from the US and China can be here in 3-4 days.

 

Maybe Aus has a law that slows down couriers to NZ unless it has been in an Aussie jail!!

 

 

 

 

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