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  Reply # 1885018 17-Oct-2017 11:58
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I actually used to do something similar to this for an NZ bank.

 

Investments or products would close and people wouldn't take the money (mainly because they didn't know about it or had forgotten about the account) and years had gone by. The bank is tasked with closing the accounts and getting rid of the money. In order to pass it to treasury so that it will appear on the IRD unclaimed monies list, which is hardly ever updated anyway, you had to prove in court that you had made sufficient attempts to find the customer. This is where I came in. It was roughly

 

check all internal systems for alternate contact address/details
do a general search/internet search and try and locate the person
check electoral roles, companies records  and other public registries
only if the value due was high enough -
hire external search services (private investigator)...these were tasked with just finding the person not speaking to them about what it was for as we couldn't disclose that.

 

Only after exhausting all possibilities did the funds move to a 'treasury pool' which we would then hand off to the legal dept. There is also consideration in NZ law about how many years the bank can retain the funds and how much it can deduct from those funds for search purposes. There were many varied and difficult cases and more often than not a person had died or moved country. In some cases people had left the bank owing credit card monies or other loans and while we couldn't use unclaimed funds to recoup those losses the customer would actively avoid all contact assuming we would chase them for that money too (which we wouldn't)....I guess the customer would then be accepting the loss if the value was low enough.

 

Anyway...our approach was to contact a potential customer with a letter/email/phone call stating that we are trying to correct contact details, 'are you MR X born X/X/X'. That was as far as we could go on initial contact else we would be disclosing too much private information. We could guide them to a published page on the bank website about unclaimed monies if they wanted to reverse the contact or get more info. In the case of deceased estates then the information is passed to the executor of the estate, often the legal firm, for them to arrange with the beneficiaries the completion of the relevant paper work.

 

Based on your letter and the info below, I would assume it is either

 

someone trying to search various unclaimed monies lists world wide, looking for potential people so that they can deduct a finders fee (think how tax rebate companies work...you can generally do the entire process yourself without using a fee deduction company, but that company offering to do it for a fee is legal)
or
the private investigator stage working on behalf of another company trying to dissolve an estate.
or
someone scamming you for ID (I would doubt this but don't take my word for it)

 

I think the immediate 'send me all your ID' approach is the bad part of this, I wouldn't complete such a request without making contact with the company to find more information first, which I am sure is what you are doing anyway.

 

Registered Office 
John Dean Law Office, 114 Lambton Quay, Wellington Central, Wellington, 6011 , New Zealand
registered to
Mary Jane Adonis CLARO
Flat 5, 28 Clifton Terrace, Kelburn, Wellington, 6012 , New Zealand
Graham SANDERS
Flat 5, 28 Clifton Terrace, Kelburn, Wellington, 6012 , New Zealand

 

also owns domains for

 

estateresearch.co.nz
eri.co.nz

 

GRAHAM JOHN SANDERS
33 MAIN SOUTH RD, SOCKBURN
CHRISTCHURCH
+64.33418814
g.sanders@eri.co.nz

 

Estate research international limited
ERI GROUP LIMITED (1974232)
company 1974232 registered here
http://christchurch-accountancy-tax-services-limited.business.site/

 

Other links

 

http://www.sharkpatrol.co.nz/applications-to-liquidate/estate-research-international-limited/
https://nz.linkedin.com/in/graham-sanders-831a86a

 

 







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  Reply # 1885088 17-Oct-2017 13:47
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If I'm reading that right does that mean the law office is registered to Sanclaro? Meaning they actually are the laywers aswell?

Yeah wanting ID and bank cards showing your signature make it sound like some sort of fraud attempt.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1885097 17-Oct-2017 13:56
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invisibleman18: If I'm reading that right does that mean the law office is registered to Sanclaro? Meaning they actually are the laywers aswell? 

 

No, its just that they use the law office as the point of contact for correspondence regarding the company's registration,

 

Its no different to "apple sales NZ" having Simpson Grierson as their registered NZ office,


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  Reply # 1885530 18-Oct-2017 10:15
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I have also just received a letter, exactly like the one from the original poster.

 

Have sent an email to unclaimed.monies@ird.govt.nz to see if they can shed further light.


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  Reply # 1885556 18-Oct-2017 10:34
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Was it personally addressed to you?




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  Reply # 1885577 18-Oct-2017 11:29
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The one I've posted about was personally addressed to my Father in law, I just removed the name and address when I posted it here.

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  Reply # 1885634 18-Oct-2017 12:23
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Yes, was addressed to me personally.

 

On the Authority to Act pages that they require you sign, the 'past address' is an address not too far from me (say 10 mins drive) but not an address I recognise or have ever lived at.




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  Reply # 1885682 18-Oct-2017 13:03
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Interesting, my in-law's past address is their former address but they moved from there to their current place 15 years ago.

Anyway just went to check out the lawyer's office again and this time someone was there. He looked up Sanclaro and confirmed they do represent them and then called the lawyer who deals with them. He said it's not a scam and due more info my father in law should contact the person the letter came from. As far as I can tell they are real laywers with current practicing certificates and not part of some big con so now I'm intrigued.

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  Reply # 1885686 18-Oct-2017 13:17
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Keep us updated please :)

 

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  Reply # 1886856 20-Oct-2017 12:16
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My attention has only been drawn to this page today and I believe it important for us to respond to the various suggestions posted here:

 

     

  1. This is not a scam! We are a New Zealand registered and trading company that was split off from the ERI Group Ltd in 2015. ERI handles our international work, Sanclaro handles the New Zealand work
  2. Our website: www.sanclaro.com explains much of what we do and provides contact details, not only for us but also for the law firms who work with us
  3. The first page of our website is directed to the issue of scams and how to check them out.
  4. Of course our letters are standardised as we send out a lot of them!
  5. We ask for ID from people as we need to satisfy those who hold the funds that you are to correct person. They have determined what types of ID are required, not us.
  6. Invisibleman18: You "know its a scam" you say. How do you know? I suggest that you be very careful making such assertions online because, put simply, you are wrong!

 

My real concern is that forums like this feel free to talk about us but those who have these concerns should start off by talking to us!

 

Those who do bother to call soon find out that we are what we say we are and we do what we say we do.  We never handle client funds - all funds are handled by our lawyers who pay our clients directly. We don't retain client documents as these are sent to the fundholders when the claim is filed.

 

I hope this clarifies the situation and stops these scam suggestions in their tracks!

 

 

 

Graham Sanders

 

DIRECTOR

 

Sanclaro Group Ltd


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  Reply # 1886857 20-Oct-2017 12:19
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You can't blame people for erring on the side of caution though. There are a million different scams on the Internet and people should always use due diligence when dealing with any kind of unsolicited communication. Cheers.


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  Reply # 1886859 20-Oct-2017 12:24
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Sure, and we receive scam letters too, so yes, we know how it feels to get them!

 

Surely, part of due diligence is picking up the phone and actually talking with us?  We do welcome calls!

 

Cheers

 

Graham


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  Reply # 1886863 20-Oct-2017 12:28
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@Sanclaro Thumbs up for coming and posting on Geekzone

 

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  Reply # 1886867 20-Oct-2017 12:38
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As a postscript to this, I actually know someone (a person I am close to as it happens) who received $10,000 a few years ago from the estate of a relative she didn't know she had in Britain. As someone here has pointed out, tracking down missing heirs is big business there. Not everything is a scam, though of course it pays to be prudent.

 

 





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  Reply # 1886897 20-Oct-2017 12:50
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rsgogo: That's interesting as your name doesn't appear on our list as Robert KINNAIRD!

 

Graham Sanders

 

SANCLARO


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