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  Reply # 1886900 20-Oct-2017 12:53
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Thanks for coming on here and posting Graham.

I guess we did our due diligence before responding. My in-laws are in Auckland and I'm in Wellington working across the road from the lawyers so it seemed a good idea to go and find then in person rather than call any of the numbers on the letter as who knows who you could really be speaking to? Also checked out your website, but of course a scammer is hardly likely to say "we are a scam" on their website or over the phone are they?

The out of the blue request for ID and copies of bank cards and signature from someone you have never heard of for some money that sounds too good to be true sounded dodgy so always best to be vigilant and not blindly send this information when you hear about similar types of scams all the time. I also asked my brother who is a lawyer, though in corporate litigation rather than this sort of area, and he thought it sounded like a scam.

The "know it's a scam" comment was in response to the previous comments asking to see the letter and saying it sounds scammish and my brother's opinion before I had managed to speak to the lawyer's who deal with it. Anyway I've found out as much as I can without being the person the letter was addressed to. Have told the in-laws so it's up to them to follow it up now. I will update if they find anything out and tell me anything.

Thanks again for coming here and responding.

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  Reply # 1886905 20-Oct-2017 13:10
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When we ask for Bank-issued cards we always add to that request with our own: we ask people to black out the numbers so they are not visible. We do this for the protection of the client's identity, as the information is safe here but, as I mentioned in an earlier post, we have to send the original certified copies away with the claim documentation and I don't ever want to be responsible for misuse of someone's bankcard, hence our request.

 

As an aside here, I should add that the Bank-issued card is not our requirement but that of the fundholders: they require a government or 'big business' issued ID document so this is how the request originates. Those who have GoldCards can use those instead if they have them.

 

Cheers

 

Graham


 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1886915 20-Oct-2017 13:19
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Thanks for that clarification. Since you take 25% of whatever funds you manage to claim, and the lawyers are the ones who actually handle the funds I assume they also need to get paid so would be interesting to find out what proportion the client ends up getting.

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  Reply # 1886918 20-Oct-2017 13:23
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Our 25% includes the lawyers' fees and all other costs.

 

The 25% fee only applies to claims under 10k, obviously the fee diminishes as the value increases

 

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  Reply # 1886936 20-Oct-2017 13:41
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Thanks for that. I'm pretty intrigued now. They are not aware of any estranged relatives existing so really have no idea of what it could be. I'll update here if I hear anything ends up coming from it.

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  Reply # 1887053 20-Oct-2017 16:41
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The excitement mounts.....!


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  Reply # 1887096 20-Oct-2017 19:13
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This is better than a lot of tv shows.

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  Reply # 1887110 20-Oct-2017 20:04
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Actually the real stories are far better than TV. That horrible BBC4 series 'The Heir Hunters' is made for TV and the real life stories we have uncovered are better than that series in spades! If anyone is interested I have couple up my sleeve that I can tell without disclosing too much about the people involved.  I've always said I'd write a book when I retire and its very tempting and retirement is looming! It will have to wait till next week though as I'm currently away from my files.....


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  Reply # 1887122 20-Oct-2017 20:39
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Sanclaro:

Actually the real stories are far better than TV. That horrible BBC4 series 'The Heir Hunters' is made for TV and the real life stories we have uncovered are better than that series in spades! If anyone is interested I have couple up my sleeve that I can tell without disclosing too much about the people involved.  I've always said I'd write a book when I retire and its very tempting and retirement is looming! It will have to wait till next week though as I'm currently away from my files.....



Please do, sound like great entertainment and potentially breeds hope in the possibility that not all ‘scammy letters’ are scams... but perhaps preface this with ‘ways to tell’ so people don’t jump to believe another letter that may really BE a scam?

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  Reply # 1887129 20-Oct-2017 20:58
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OP you have every right to think this was a scam, It's not everyday a random letter turns up asking for bank details and ID.


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  Reply # 1887133 20-Oct-2017 21:10
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Actually scams tend to be really easy to pick:

 

  • "Fractured" English
  • Ask for funds upfront to "release your funds"
  • Ask for your bank account details
  • Ask for your password or pin so they can confirm your identity
  • Ask you to send money via WU or similar

These are all classic warning signs of a scam.

 

To tell you a funny story....back before the internet 'began' I received an actual letter from Nigeria (now there's a surprise!) which was clearly a scam. I took it to the Police and they came back to me to tell me that even the damn stamp on the envelope was a fake stamp!  They gave it back to me, so it will feature in an illustrated story yet to be told...

 

 


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  Reply # 1887136 20-Oct-2017 21:16
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We are all well aware of those types of scams, it's the more elaborate ones that can catch people out.

You'd be hard pressed to say anyone who gets a letter out of the blue saying "you may be entitled to funds etc send us ya bank card and ID information" wouldn't be suspicious.

I know that's what my first thought would be.

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  Reply # 1887139 20-Oct-2017 21:19
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....and I would be too. That's why people need to do due diligence and actually talk to the people who send the letter as well as their lawyers.


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  Reply # 1887171 20-Oct-2017 23:02
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Dial111: We are all well aware of those types of scams, it's the more elaborate ones that can catch people out.

You'd be hard pressed to say anyone who gets a letter out of the blue saying "you may be entitled to funds etc send us ya bank card and ID information" wouldn't be suspicious.

I know that's what my first thought would be.


TBH I don’t even look further than ‘you have won’ or ‘we have contacted you in relation to an unclaimed fund’ etc... but, the chances of anyone scamming me properly would raise considerably if I used my real name instead of a nom de plume on 98% of the websites that insist on a ‘full’ registration before reading or posting the info I’m after...

I WAS however scammed by a 100% feedback, 4 year old ‘Trade’ acc with ove 157 police reviews on a trademe puchase of an iPhone 7 just last year... apparently her new boyfriend managed to ‘hack’ her account and sold 9 of them before scarpering off to feed a gambling habit. Stupidly he used his own real name bank account to take the payments though so at least I have the nominal satisfaction to know my tax dollars will go to feeding, clothing and guarding him in prison instead of in state housing ... for the next few years anyway...

Official police email came just last week...
“Joshua A****TON has pled guilty to all charges (36) and due in Hamilton District Court on 30/10/17.”

Scamming or fraud, being stung seems the only way to learn the lesson well enough. Real life interaction is the only way I’ll ever trade past $100 again!

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