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  Reply # 1919238 13-Dec-2017 18:50
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solutionz:

 

@StatsNZ have you fixed the address format inconsistencies from last time?: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?topicid=114783

 

 

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Yes, we have done a lot of work to make sure each address being used for the 2018 Census is in the correct format and has the necessary fields to ensure census materials can be mailed to respondents or so field officers can find the addresses and deliver materials themselves.





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  Reply # 1919245 13-Dec-2017 19:01
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Christ... good to see a positive initiative get smashed by the cynics as usual...

 

 

 

Attempting to get on track... a real simple one for @StatsNZ..

 

How will we log in to the census?

 

Before the general election, I went through the two week process to get my RealMe identity verified. I hope a piece of tree won't get wasted on me posting out authentication codes etc.

 

 

@chevrolux: Your household will be sent or delivered an access code that will allow you to set up forms for everyone in the household. We're not using RealMe for the census because we're interested in counting the number of people in each household and the dwellings themselves.





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  Reply # 1919301 13-Dec-2017 20:32
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chevrolux:

 

Christ... good to see a positive initiative get smashed by the cynics as usual...

 

 

 

Attempting to get on track... a real simple one for @StatsNZ..

 

How will we log in to the census?

 

Before the general election, I went through the two week process to get my RealMe identity verified. I hope a piece of tree won't get wasted on me posting out authentication codes etc.

 

 

@chevrolux: Your household will be sent or delivered an access code that will allow you to set up forms for everyone in the household. We're not using RealMe for the census because we're interested in counting the number of people in each household and the dwellings themselves.

 

 

OK. Obviously I really don't understand how you need your data. But I would of thought that registered addresses could simply be matched up to an index number?

 

So I log in with Real Me, enter my address, and then up pops my "property ID" or something? I guess that introduces error if people choose a different address to where they actually live... kind of answered my own question.

 

 

 

Posting stuff just seems so unnecessary in 2017! Also, environment, trees, dolphins etc....


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  Reply # 1919469 14-Dec-2017 11:09
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Hi StatsNZ.

 

 

 

What data will be gathered in regard to digital inclusion? Will the 'do you have a fax' question be removed (surely obsolete?) 

 

Will there be any questions relating to internet access, speeds, digital skills, trust and motivation in use of digital technologies?

 

This presents a dichotomy of sorts in that those who are most digitally excluded are unlikely to use the online census.

 

Thanks.


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Hi StatsNZ.

 

 

 

What data will be gathered in regard to digital inclusion? Will the 'do you have a fax' question be removed (surely obsolete?) 

 

Will there be any questions relating to internet access, speeds, digital skills, trust and motivation in use of digital technologies?

 

This presents a dichotomy of sorts in that those who are most digitally excluded are unlikely to use the online census.

 

Thanks.

 

 

Why??   That information wont help the Govt build the NZ based broadband/mobile network, as they dont do this. Those that do, are doing this, and will have that information already if anyone wants to know


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Hi StatsNZ.

 

 

 

What data will be gathered in regard to digital inclusion? Will the 'do you have a fax' question be removed (surely obsolete?) 

 

Will there be any questions relating to internet access, speeds, digital skills, trust and motivation in use of digital technologies?

 

This presents a dichotomy of sorts in that those who are most digitally excluded are unlikely to use the online census.

 

Thanks.

 

 

Why??   That information wont help the Govt build the NZ based broadband/mobile network, as they dont do this. Those that do, are doing this, and will have that information already if anyone wants to know

 

 

RSP will know about the billing contact. But what about the ages and ethnicity of children in households without broadband? Is there a pattern with income that might justify a govt investment to support educational outcomes. Many of the census questions can be 'answered' by other means, but the value can be in the relationship between variables. 


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thesifter:

 

Hi StatsNZ.

 

 

 

What data will be gathered in regard to digital inclusion? Will the 'do you have a fax' question be removed (surely obsolete?) 

 

Will there be any questions relating to internet access, speeds, digital skills, trust and motivation in use of digital technologies?

 

This presents a dichotomy of sorts in that those who are most digitally excluded are unlikely to use the online census.

 

Thanks.

 

 

Why??   That information wont help the Govt build the NZ based broadband/mobile network, as they dont do this. Those that do, are doing this, and will have that information already if anyone wants to know

 

 

Because here is no single survey focusing on digital inclusion. It is possible to extract some interesting and useful information from existing surveys but none provide a
comprehensive picture of digital inclusion at a level of granulation that would be useful to local communities as well as central government.
Until New Zealand implements a comprehensive monitoring regime, progress towards any digital inclusion goals will be limited. In the
absence of any ongoing outcome data, government is unlikely to make substantial investments. This means that funding for digital inclusion programmes is likely to remain restricted to small-scale pilots and projects.
The availability of consistently reported outcomes would certainly help in cost benefit evaluations.


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I dont see an iPads for the Poor Act anytime soon. There are far more worrying issues for the poor than the internet.


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I dont see an iPads for the Poor Act anytime soon. There are far more worrying issues for the poor than the internet.

 

 

Internet access at home is pretty fundamental to achieving good education outcomes for kids (given how they are being taught today), and education has a causative relationship many of society's ills (crime, poverty, etc) so as funny as 'ipads for the poor act' sounds, it's probably not far off the mark from what's required


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I dont see an iPads for the Poor Act anytime soon. There are far more worrying issues for the poor than the internet.

 

 

 

 

Totally disagree here. 

 

Internet access for all homes is almost essential now as a lot of organisations expect it for billing etc. Also for children depend on it for education.


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tdgeek: I dont see an iPads for the Poor Act anytime soon. There are far more worrying issues for the poor than the internet. 
 Totally disagree here. 

 

Internet access for all homes is almost essential now as ... 

 

nickb800: Internet access at home is pretty fundamental to achieving good education outcomes for kids ...

 

I have to jump onto the bandwagon here. Internet access has become a requirement to participate in everyday life as a normal* citizen. In fact, isn't this one of the reasons why we have the UFB & RBI initiatives? I can save $x from my bank by getting electronic statements. Nine years ago I walked around the city handing out paper based CV's. If there are recruitment companies now that accept papers, they will also ask for a copy in Word or PDF format. Show me a comparable paper based system compared to seek.co.nz or trademe.co.nz/jobs?

 

There even is talk of Internet access being a human right. 


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I gather it is illegal not to complete the survey.

 

If you intend to complete it on line and your internet connection goes down, would that constitute not completing it? Or would everyone still have to have a paper copy as a backup which seems rather waste of paper if you're trying to get everyone to fill it in online.








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IcI: For non-technical questions, I will have to query the S.O.

 

     

  1. Does the form include more than the standard male / female sexual identifiers
  2. Does the form try to identify missing parents; i.e. grand parents raising grand children?
  3. Is StatsNZ trying to identify / include homeless & car dwelling people?
  4. What options for heritage / racial identification will be available?

 

 


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  Reply # 1920227 15-Dec-2017 14:31
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Writing as a community worker in a low sociao economic area.

 

Hi @StatsNZ

 

One of the big issues around online census is access to technology. I work in an area of town where people cant afford internet connections little less the devices required to access the internet. With the increasing use of technology for compliance with govt requirements it is putting a lot of pressure on people.

 

The MSD supplies computers at their offices to allow people to enter data. Census, seeing it is for a single day, cant do that. This puts a lot of pressure on people to get access to technology. Places like public libraries who provide computer access as wondering how this will impact them.

 

There are programs now who train community volunteers to know all the different MSD entitlements people are allowed, then support them through the MSD process. This type of community based support is supported by MSD as it helps them and their clients.

 

There are several issues that arise from this and in community support circles we have several questions.

 

     

  1. What plans are in place to help people who have no internet access or devices?
  2. Will there be free / no data cost set up with ISP's similar to MSD access not counting against data caps so people with no data on their 3g could use it to access census
  3. With pressure on public internet spaces, is there any support or plans in place to make access or training available (similar to the MSD / community initiatives) to assist those with no technology access to make use of public spaces /schools / libraries etc? also those who need assistance like the elderly or ESOL - will need trained people to support them.
  4. How are people meant to authenticate. The Govt has been pushing Real Me which is a nightmare for those who are technology savvy but for the elderly or non techs is a nightmare. How will Census handle this?
  5. What testing and process are in place to ensure data safety on shared access technology? Do you use cookies? Sessions? Auto log out? What is the authentication method used? Cookies? Sessions? Put / Get identifiers in the URL? How quickly does the session log out automatically?
  6. Can people restart a census data entry session if it times out? The elderly and disabled often take a lot longer to enter data and experiences with the IRD and similar have shown many people hurt by having to re-enter data as the session times out. But conversely it needs to time out on shared access devices to stop person B piggy backing on person A's session.
  7. Will the census be mobile / responsive? or need a bigger screen?
  8. Has the census been tested against WWW consortium disability access, e,g, screen readers etc compatible?

 

Thanks for taking time to engage with NZ'ers on this process. Great initiative.

 

nunz

 

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Thanks for all your questions, @nunz. We've tried to summarise a reply to most of them in this response:

 

In 2018, we’re aiming for most people in New Zealand to take part in the census online.

 

But we know that the change to online response as the primary response mode will impact on some groups of people, so paper forms will still be available for anyone who prefers them.

 

We have engagement and operations staff who are focusing their efforts on the areas and communities that require the most  support for census participation or who need assistance to complete their census forms online. They are working with community groups to develop relevant solutions including running assisted completion events in some parts of the country.

 

In February, we’ll send or deliver an access code to every household in New Zealand. There is no need to authenticate when you log into the system (the access code you receive is for your whole household), and you won’t need to use RealMe to take part. Once you've received your access code, you can take part in the census, on or before 6 March.

 

The systems have been designed with privacy and security in mind. We commissioned an independent Privacy Impact Assessment earlier this year, where we asked an independent agency to review how we have thought about privacy with our new approach.

 

To ensure privacy and security the system will time out after 20 mins, if there hasn’t been any activity, but if a user is still typing, it will not log them out. Once someone has completed their census forms they cannot be reopened once they have been submitted. The forms are mobile responsive, and we're estimating it'll take about 700kb of data to complete the census online.

 

We want to be sure that everyone has equal access to the census, and we’re planning to provide some support resources on the census website, and via stakeholders for individuals or groups.

 

Our website is also undergoing its final accessibility audit at the moment, and the forms will be able to be completed with a screen reader (JAWS/IE11, NVDA/Firefox, VoiceOver/Safari).

 

If you’d like to contact us to see if we can connect you, and the people you're representing, with support in your area, please email us directly via this forum and we'll get back in touch with you. We're keen to do what we can to make sure everyone can participate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 





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