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  #1928956 4-Jan-2018 11:35
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Geektastic:
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As above. Anyone who thinks people cannot affect the climate is simply wrong-headed. People affect everything they touch. We have destroyed the ecologies of entire countries, pushed numerous species to extinction, fundamentally altered natural systems. Why wouldn't we also have an effect on the climate? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can only assume that @Maxlv feels the planet is so large that we can't really make much of a dent in the atmosphere

 

 

 

Sobering reading   https://www.cbsnews.com/news/carbon-dioxide-emissions-rise-to-24-million-pounds-per-second/

 

 

 

Also:

 

 

 

There are 1 billion vehicles in the world, spewing out fumes in the time it takes to rack up 10,000km or more per year

 

 

 

There are always between 6000 and 10000 aircraft in the air at any one time, spewing out fumes from the 2 or 4 turboprop or 2 or 4 jet engines

 

 

 

The Earth is big but it isn't that big, and as many greenhouses gases are active for a hundred years, or more, or less, they are added to, not replaced by new emissions

 



However if we were to copy, say, the UK where annual road tax (rego) is in tiers based on the CO2 emissions of your vehicle, there would be lots of complaint. The highest annual charge to discourage CO2 emission is NZ$4000 per year.

Can't have it both ways.

 

You can actually. Make a plan to cease ICE. Whatever the date is when EV is more freely available, and if a retro upgrade is possible, thats when you target FF users, excluding those vehicles such as trucks where it may not be feasible yet. Hit the FF users hard, but give them plenty of warning, and with sensible exclusions.But no one wants to play that game, people wont like them, and will cease to fund or vote for them

 

 


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  #1929011 4-Jan-2018 12:45
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I really wish I could buy a small, light, single-seater car, but no such thing exists AFAICT. Electric would be even better.

 



BMW i3?

 

The cheapest on TM is about $36K... well outside my price bracket.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #1929039 4-Jan-2018 13:36
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What about those smart two fours or the Nissan leaf?




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I would put the idea of replacing your car with an ev in the same bracket as thinking you will save the planet by changing your household bulbs to led.
It's silly too little too late.

Until people (westerners) accept their standard of living has to significantly change, there will be no meaningful change.

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So who is going to be the first to volunteer to live like a pre-industrial villager?

 

 





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And with people in powerful positions doing nothing to help the situation like leaders of the us, Australia there is little hope to make amends.

Trump still calls coal ' beautiful and clean ' ffs.

 
 
 
 


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Rikkitic:

 

So who is going to be the first to volunteer to live like a pre-industrial villager?

 

 

 

 

For once I agree with you. smile





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