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Topic # 227480 9-Jan-2018 07:25
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For those who don't know, Natalie Portman has been hailed a hero for calling out the Golden Globe Best Director nominees as "and here are the male nominees" because of "lack of female representation". But how does one make sure all groups are included AND making sure it's merit based?

 

Now, I don't watch too many movies, and I certainly aware of sexism all around the place (mind you, it is can go both ways). I certainly do not advocate harassment, am anti elitist, anti capitalism, believe everyone should get a fair start and fair go in life.

 

But unfortunately most things in life are not merit based, but rather a popularity contest, or who your grandmother knows, or how much money your aunty has - however in the modern world, even those things are trumped by another category - all inclusivity, but if you want to make it all-inclusive, make sure it is all inclusive!

 

Perhaps there should be one who is a Caucasian male, one Caucasian female, one Asian male, one , one African American male, one African American female, one Hispanic male, one Hispanic female, one Russian male, one Russian female, one native American male, one native American female, one indigenous male, one indigenous female, any one else who feel left out, make sure you get your group added to the next GG Best Director nomination group ok?

 

Ok, so maybe entertainment awards are not actually merit based? (Really, I don't watch many movies, and the last jedi film that I watched don't deserve any awards from me. Also, I really liked wonder woman, but I don't think that movie deserved any awards either.)

 

Ok I better go hide under my desk now.


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  Reply # 1932506 9-Jan-2018 07:34
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Batman: "Awards" - are they all-inclusive or merit based?

These two things are not necessarily in opposition to each other as you seem to be suggesting.

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  Reply # 1932508 9-Jan-2018 07:35
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I think you are right. I see awards for those that should have one, so lets give em one this year as he/she deserves it. The movie was pretty goods so we can slip it in this year. And when a movie wins almost every award, you cant tell me that every award winner exceeded every other nominee. Its a great story for Hollywood




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  Reply # 1932513 9-Jan-2018 07:56
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Batman: "Awards" - are they all-inclusive or merit based?

These two things are not necessarily in opposition to each other as you seem to be suggesting.

 

My understanding is they are not necessarily mutually exclusive.


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  Reply # 1932517 9-Jan-2018 08:04
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The best should win, no matter what colour or creed they are. Just like employment, it should be the best person for the job. How or who determines who wins I don’t know and perhaps that’s the area they need to look at if there is widespread disagreement on their selections...and that’s nothing to do with race or gender, just ensuring good quality choices.





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  Reply # 1932568 9-Jan-2018 09:32
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I find all these 'entertainment' award ceremonies a load of self-gratifying poppycock and try to ignore any news about them as best I can.





Most of the trouble in the world is caused by people wanting to be important. (T.S. Eliot)


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  Reply # 1932585 9-Jan-2018 10:06
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scuwp: The best should win, no matter what colour or creed they are. Just like employment, it should be the best person for the job. How or who determines who wins I don’t know and perhaps that’s the area they need to look at if there is widespread disagreement on their selections...and that’s nothing to do with race or gender, just ensuring good quality choices.

 

While I agree with you, those days seem well gone now. 




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  Reply # 1932595 9-Jan-2018 10:21
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scuwp: The best should win, no matter what colour or creed they are. Just like employment, it should be the best person for the job. How or who determines who wins I don’t know and perhaps that’s the area they need to look at if there is widespread disagreement on their selections...and that’s nothing to do with race or gender, just ensuring good quality choices.

 

While I agree with you, those days seem well gone now. 

 

 

What do you mean those days?

 

In those days if your dad was a rich man, you went to the correct schools, you got the top jobs.

 

Nothing much has changed really.


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It's a criticism on the structural sexism that causes women directors to be often overlooked for big projects, male directors given more second chances if a movie flops, male directors more likely to be given the support for first movies to get on the ladder, for a few examples.  It is not a criticism of the actual directors on that particular awards shortlist - although the female director of the film that won best movie was not on that shortlist.




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  Reply # 1932615 9-Jan-2018 10:41
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jonb:

 

It's a criticism on the structural sexism that causes women directors to be often overlooked for big projects, male directors given more second chances if a movie flops, male directors more likely to be given the support for first movies to get on the ladder, for a few examples.  It is not a criticism of the actual directors on that particular awards shortlist - although the female director of the film that won best movie was not on that shortlist.

 

 

That makes sense. That could well be very true of many big and small firms.

 

Which brings me to recall - anyone else also recall the surgeons in Australia - there was a female surgeon who urged fellow female doctors to (paraphrasing) just give sex to senior surgeons who ask for it if they want to progress their career. Not much different from Hollywood isn't it.


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  Reply # 1932644 9-Jan-2018 11:26
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I hear exactly what you are saying but I am staying right out of this conversation.


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  Reply # 1932647 9-Jan-2018 11:39
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Regardless of how valid her point might be, it was pretty disrespectful to the nominees and eventual winner.


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  Reply # 1932668 9-Jan-2018 11:58
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jonb:

 

It's a criticism on the structural sexism that causes women directors to be often overlooked for big projects, male directors given more second chances if a movie flops, male directors more likely to be given the support for first movies to get on the ladder, for a few examples.  It is not a criticism of the actual directors on that particular awards shortlist - although the female director of the film that won best movie was not on that shortlist.

 

 

So what if she wasn't on the shortlist? If the movie had an amazing story, was well acted and produced, doesn't mean it had a director of the same standard. 

 

There have been plenty of times where best director didn't win best film. It's why there are *2* categories. 

 

If she was *good* or even great, but there were 5 *excellent* directors, she should not even get consideration.

 

Unless there is concrete evidence to support the fact that the direction of the best movie was better than the other directors who were nominated, then people should find something else to do with their time. 

 

If they give out awards to fill an imaginary quota, then what's the point?!

 

 


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  Reply # 1933217 9-Jan-2018 22:29
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It's all self-congratulatory backslapping.






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  Reply # 1933225 9-Jan-2018 22:40
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i think she was trying to make the point there arent many female directors out there, the industry seems to favour hiring male directors.  so if studios are just hiring male directors (not all, but a large percentage goes to males) then they wont get nominated.

 

Im sure a female could of made Titanic just as well as James Cameron.   

 

I agree things should be based on merit, but when all the jobs are just going to white males, theyre always going to be wining.  But perhaps its just not an industry/job females are really drawn too?  There certainly seem to be few and far between female programmers....  Last 3 jobs we advertised I received zero CVs from females... 


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  Reply # 1933245 9-Jan-2018 23:06
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reven:

 

i think she was trying to make the point there arent many female directors out there, the industry seems to favour hiring male directors.  so if studios are just hiring male directors (not all, but a large percentage goes to males) then they wont get nominated.

 

Im sure a female could of made Titanic just as well as James Cameron.   

 

I agree things should be based on merit, but when all the jobs are just going to white males, theyre always going to be wining.  But perhaps its just not an industry/job females are really drawn too?  There certainly seem to be few and far between female programmers....  Last 3 jobs we advertised I received zero CVs from females... 

 

 

 

 

In the Brave New World it will probably be your fault you did not get the "right" CV's...!






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