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  Reply # 1939563 16-Jan-2018 09:48
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Came across this guy Pleasant Green on you-tube a few weeks ago... well worth watching the Lie-beria series of videos

 

https://bydgraceofgod.com/


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  Reply # 1939572 16-Jan-2018 10:03
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Wade:

 

Came across this guy Pleasant Green on you-tube a few weeks ago... well worth watching the Lie-beria series of videos

 

https://bydgraceofgod.com/

 

 

Very very cool.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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Wade:

 

Came across this guy Pleasant Green on you-tube a few weeks ago... well worth watching the Lie-beria series of videos

 

 

I found the Lie-beria video series captivating.

 

For others who are interested, here's link to the Pleasant Green channel:

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAPrhJwVweWZA8GEPoClSdw 


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  Reply # 1939596 16-Jan-2018 10:39
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Giving money to these people makes things worse not better. The don't get the right help and they continue to damage themselves. The pros continue to rip us off, and the whole problem expands.

 

 

I never give money to anyone who asks for it, including those rip-off charity collectors, and I don't think anyone should. If no-one did, the problem would soon go away. I carefully choose the charities I support and I check that the money they get is actually used appropriately. What I have done, and would continue to do, is pay for food for people who are genuinely hungry. That is not hard to determine. I let them pick what they want, I pay for it, and I sit with them while they eat. It is also a good way to learn about someone's story. Not everyone who approaches you in the street is trying to rip you off. Telling yourself that they are is just an easy way to avoid having to do anything to help.

 

 





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  Reply # 1939610 16-Jan-2018 11:02
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Rikkitic:

 

kryptonjohn:

 

Giving money to these people makes things worse not better. The don't get the right help and they continue to damage themselves. The pros continue to rip us off, and the whole problem expands.

 

 

I never give money to anyone who asks for it, including those rip-off charity collectors, and I don't think anyone should. If no-one did, the problem would soon go away. I carefully choose the charities I support and I check that the money they get is actually used appropriately. What I have done, and would continue to do, is pay for food for people who are genuinely hungry. That is not hard to determine. I let them pick what they want, I pay for it, and I sit with them while they eat. It is also a good way to learn about someone's story. Not everyone who approaches you in the street is trying to rip you off. Telling yourself that they are is just an easy way to avoid having to do anything to help.

 

 

Good for you. Still better to give your money to City Mission IMHO as it will go further and it will be better directed.

 

Hardly ever see them asking for food myself. All the ones I see (lower Queen St and Quay St) are specifically asking for money. 

 

And some even try to turn a gift of food back into money.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/89179685/Hamilton-beggars-seek-refunds-on-gifted-food

 

Who is "telling themselves that everyone on the street is trying to rip you off" anyway?

 

 


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  Reply # 1939640 16-Jan-2018 11:33
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MileHighKiwi: Lady outside New World today...sign said "no money for food", as she sat there rolling from a pouch of tobacco which I believe is very expensive these days.

Another one before Christmas had a UE Boom speaker which I saw in PB Tech for $170. Oh and a smart phone to connect so she can play her Boyz 2 Men.

Third worlders, I.e. those in real poverty, will think NZ is amazing....the government gives you money for nothing, You get free doctors and schooling and health care, and if that's not enough you can get food grants, accommodation supplements....and if that's not enough park up outside New World with your smart phone and Bluetooth speaker and beg workers for ore money. Sign me up!

 

I can relate to that. There's a regular old-ish guy in K Road begging for money and he has a 4 foot portable speakers/boom box. Saw it around at shops for circa $400 undecided


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  Reply # 1939651 16-Jan-2018 11:40
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Rikkitic:

 

kryptonjohn:

 

Giving money to these people makes things worse not better. The don't get the right help and they continue to damage themselves. The pros continue to rip us off, and the whole problem expands.

 

 

I never give money to anyone who asks for it, including those rip-off charity collectors, and I don't think anyone should. If no-one did, the problem would soon go away. I carefully choose the charities I support and I check that the money they get is actually used appropriately. What I have done, and would continue to do, is pay for food for people who are genuinely hungry. That is not hard to determine. I let them pick what they want, I pay for it, and I sit with them while they eat. It is also a good way to learn about someone's story. Not everyone who approaches you in the street is trying to rip you off. Telling yourself that they are is just an easy way to avoid having to do anything to help.

 

 

I agree. I don't give to the beggars in Wellington. I give to the charities that can help them and don't resort to pressure selling.

 

Most of us don't realise that many social agencies are working together on these issues. For example, they have people walking the streets to connect people who need help with those who can help them. That's one reason why they say don't give to beggars because it does nothing to resolve the underlying issues. While we could look at this cynically as a self-interested grab for all the funding they can get, the workers I have met are always passionate and committed people.

 

I don't agree that the problem of people living on the streets and begging will go away if we stop giving. There's simply too many people who don't accept other forms of help. Many are ill, delusional or distrustful of social agencies or of people in general. Which is why they so often reject the help of the social agencies who could help them.

 

My understanding of the issues has been enhanced by going on a school trip with a group of secondary school students studying foods and nutrition. They visit Wellington charities like the Soup Kitchen, the Night Shelter, community gardens, etc.

 

Each trip is a life-changing experience for at least one the students. We always start the trip with one or two who loudly repeat whatever their parents say at home, e.g. "They just need to get a job". And the quieter students also have firm opinions although they don't express them as forcefully. By the end of the trip nearly all the students will have changed their position once they gain a first-hand understanding of the issues.

 

 

 

kryptonjohn:

 

Always say no politely. People asking for money are often either professional panhandlers or homeless people with mental health problems.

 

The former are cheats, plain and simple. Likely to be claiming benefits without reporting the panhandling income, and some of them are making quite good money. Certainly not paying tax. They are ripping taxpayers like you and me off.

 

The latter are not really being helped by a gift of money that may go towards substance abuse. Best way to help them is to make a donation to Salvation Army or City Mission etc.

 

 

I now see the "professional" beggars from Wellington CBD working at suburban shopping centers. I've seen them get dropped off by car at the start of the day and picked up at the end of the day. When I say "I'm not giving any money to you" they give me a story designed to engage my compassion and even start crying for effect. They often start with asking for money for a bus or an item of food at a local shop then, if I turn them down, they give me a bigger sob story, and so on. Such beggars are not interested in help to resolve their stated issues: they don't want to be put in contact with social agencies who can address their issue; they turn down a ride instead of bus money; they turn down the food item they named; they just want the money.

 

 

 

I also agree with points about related issues like high housing costs (e.g. Aredwood) and addictions (e.g. JimmyH):

 

Aredwood: A lot of this is related to high housing costs. And politicians chasing votes from certain generations who have no desire to fix those problems.

NZ is getting some of the same social problems that started affecting Japan approx 20 years ago. Main difference is governments have used high immigration to try hide those problems.

 

It saddens me that the self-interest of the average politician trumps the public good. Many, if not most, MPs make a lot of money from rising housing costs. Most MPs appear to be scared to do anything about it because of fear of losing votes.

 

 

 

JimmyH:

 

Cigarettes are a product that some people find very hard to give up, particularly some mental health patients who can pretty much depend on them. When you squeeze the price of a highly addictive product then some users will give it it up (which is presumably the Government's objective). Others will do what it takes to sustain their addiction - including going without things like good food, clothes for their kids, blackmarket buying, missing rent payments, begging, and (in some cases) violent robbery (either of sellers directly, or to get money). Pretty much the same behaviour as heroin addicts struggling to afford their habit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1939652 16-Jan-2018 11:40
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MileHighKiwi: Lady outside New World today...sign said "no money for food", as she sat there rolling from a pouch of tobacco which I believe is very expensive these days.

Another one before Christmas had a UE Boom speaker which I saw in PB Tech for $170. Oh and a smart phone to connect so she can play her Boyz 2 Men.

Third worlders, I.e. those in real poverty, will think NZ is amazing....the government gives you money for nothing, You get free doctors and schooling and health care, and if that's not enough you can get food grants, accommodation supplements....and if that's not enough park up outside New World with your smart phone and Bluetooth speaker and beg workers for ore money. Sign me up!

 

I can relate to that. There's a regular old-ish guy in K Road begging for money and he has a 4 foot portable speakers/boom box. Saw it around at shops for circa $400 undecided

 

 

Seeing these shysters intercepting charity must really piss off those in genuine need, and those running genuine charities.

 

 


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  Reply # 1939671 16-Jan-2018 12:21
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Rikkitic:

 

Threads like this reveal something interesting about human psychology. There is a willingness, maybe even a need, to assume the worst about people who ask for a helping hand. There is also quite a bit of anger. I wonder why this is so.

 

 

Firstly; it's human nature.  Making the less fortunate an 'out-group' enables us to distance/ignore/dismiss them.  We are concerned most about bad things that happen to people most like or near to ourselves.  It's a self-protection mechanism of sorts.  I'm not saying this is right, just that it's a real part of human psychology.

 

Secondly; beggars are cumulatively relentless and sometimes intimidating.  You cannot walk down a main street in Welly's CBD without being asked for money by multiple beggars. 

 

Sometimes the manner or circumstances in which this asking is done can be intimidating.  For example some individuals sit right next to ATMs, sometimes in pairs asking for money.  I'm about 6' and 100kg and I find this behaviour off-putting.  What's it like for more vulnerable people?

 

I've had three encounters in the last 18 months or so where homeless people became threatening and on another occasions a guy threatened my parter who happened to exit a liquor store before me.  It's the latter incident has bothered the most.  The fact that I've experienced these four incidents puts me on edge whenever I approach a homeless person.

 

I do feel sorry for these individuals.  But ... it should be possible to walk down the street without being subjected to pestering or intimidation.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1939675 16-Jan-2018 12:25
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I found the Lie-beria video series captivating.

 

For others who are interested, here's link to the Pleasant Green channel:

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAPrhJwVweWZA8GEPoClSdw 

 

 

Compulsive viewing. I watched one, then had to watch them all. This guy really knows what he is doing. A heartwarming story and an example to the rest of us.

 

 





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  Reply # 1939681 16-Jan-2018 12:32
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There are known bods in Canterbury that work south city mall and Kaiapoi/Rangiora with the 'my partner and I had a fight and he has left me stranded and I need money for the bus (to opposite portion of canterbury to current location)' or 'I need money to get some <child related products>'

 

Tresspassed from the main stores, but can't be from common carpark areas.

 

Offer them a ride, get abuse as they storm off. Clearly not in it for the hardship.

 

 

 

Picked up after an hour or so once staff tell them to move on and taken to the next carpark nearby...

 

 

 

Having said that not seen these particular ones in a little while. But will even rap on windows of people sitting awaiting better halfs in the supermarket


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What gets me these days is "give a little" so many people start them for random stuff because they never budget for it and then beg friends to give them money on Facebook. Last one I saw a few days ago was from someone whose pet has to have lifetime long treatment costing 1k every 3 months. It now seems the norm that if you have an expense that you have not planned for then everyone should foot the cost in the name of "friendship". Sure it's hard if it's a pet that needs treatment but that is why one should have the funds in savings and/or have pet insurance or be ready to let the pet go.

 

Also the guy smokes, doing the sums if he gave that up then it should more than cover the cost of the meds for the pet.

 

 


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  Reply # 1939777 16-Jan-2018 14:59
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Can't blame them for trying... if it works!


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Sam91: I get stopped by the charities with iPads frequently. I signed up once to the monthly plan once, because I felt like donating $20 one off, but not ongoing. I cancelled after the first payment. I dislike these fundraising methods, I prefer someone with a bucket, I'm always happy to chuck in a few dollars here and there. It's a tough ask when you know a large chunk of your donation is going to the person signing you up, rather than the cause.


With one of the charity collection companies at the $20 per month level they keep 100% of the 1st years donations. Unless you stay committed as a donor longer than that the headline charity doesn't get any of the money. Even at $60 a month the collecting company keeps 70% of the 1st year.

 

That is insane. What a colossally inefficient way to do things.

 

This is one reason why I am not a big fan of charity in general (though I acknowledge that most of them are extremely worthy causes). Society would be much better off if we all just paid slightly more tax with the government distributing it where needed.


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allio:

 

Bung:
Sam91: I get stopped by the charities with iPads frequently. I signed up once to the monthly plan once, because I felt like donating $20 one off, but not ongoing. I cancelled after the first payment. I dislike these fundraising methods, I prefer someone with a bucket, I'm always happy to chuck in a few dollars here and there. It's a tough ask when you know a large chunk of your donation is going to the person signing you up, rather than the cause.


With one of the charity collection companies at the $20 per month level they keep 100% of the 1st years donations. Unless you stay committed as a donor longer than that the headline charity doesn't get any of the money. Even at $60 a month the collecting company keeps 70% of the 1st year.

 

That is insane. What a colossally inefficient way to do things.

 

This is one reason why I am not a big fan of charity in general (though I acknowledge that most of them are extremely worthy causes). Society would be much better off if we all just paid slightly more tax with the government distributing it where needed.

 

 

I find your faith in the government distributing tax more efficiently than someone like City Mission very surprising.

 

City Mission overheads are absolutely tiny and that's forced on them by lack of funds. They are lean as lean can be. Government departments (and city councils) have recourse to almost limitless funds so they have less need to operate efficiently.

 

Only need to look at the operation of the post office/telephone company when it was part of the government to see this. 6 weeks to get a phone line unless you offer someone a crate of DB. Or now days look at Auckland Transport and their mega $million new head office right in the ritzy Viaduct Harbour district and their hundreds of employees on $200k salaries.

 

Unlimited taxpayer/ratepayer funding.

 

 

 

 


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